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Author Topic: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday  (Read 16716 times)

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Diving_Hawk

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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2012, 06:33:05 AM »

Glad to see this nice plane again PhiHL.

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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2012, 06:40:13 AM »

Shame that this aircraft can not yet see the day due to lack of informations, views of the progress of the project ;)
for the motor:
http://caudronc714.free.fr/moteur.htm
performances:
http://caudronc714.free.fr/caracteristiques.htm
from Fred Hangar: http://213.198.1.32/fredshangar/caudron_714C1_fr.htm
Vitesse maximale: 298 mph\259 noeuds 480 km/h à 4500m
Vitesse de croisière: 223 mph\194 noeuds\360 km/h
Motorisation: Renault 12 R-03 à compresseur, 12 cylindres inversés en V de 450Ch (500ch au décollage)
Hélice:Ratier tripale métallique type HG de 2,16m soit 7,09 ft.
Autonomie maximale: 298 Nm/552km à 460Km/h / 445 Nm / 825km à 360Km/h
Capacité en carburant: 54.16 gal/205 l
Poids à vide: 2 740.35 livres/1 243 kg
Poids total maximal: 3 628.81 livres/1646 kg
Longueur: 28 pieds, 32 pouces / 8,632 m
Envergure: 29 pieds 43 pouces/8,97 m
Hauteur: 9 pieds, 19 pouces / 2,802 m
Surface Alaire: 134 pieds 55 pouces / 12.5 m²
Nombre de places: 1

It's not much, but we try ;)

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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2012, 07:36:58 AM »

how were the stall characteristics? sudden stalls at  high speeds/g load, similar to P-51?
manoevrability mediocre?
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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2012, 07:58:06 AM »

What nice surprise for Friday PhiHL! You never know what you'll find when you hit replies to your messages around here!

I expect people around the globe are blowing dust off old books or searching their drives for that gem of a flight curve they downloaded four years ago just in case!

If you have no luck , try posting over at C6 or have one of the SAS Niemen do it for you.

It will be great to see this plane hit the French Singles board very soon.

Thanks so much for your work.
Kopfdorfer
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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2012, 08:08:18 AM »

from the links of leperemagloire :
- high torque form the engine, so dangerous take off
- weight on the front of the aircraft, tendency to dive hardly corrected by trimming
- doesn't glide well
- good maneuverability in the horizontal plane, probably limited in the vertical plane because underpowered
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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2012, 08:18:35 AM »

WOW!!!!!! ALPHA, BETA, DELTA...NO MATTER I WANT IT PLEASE!
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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2012, 09:22:33 AM »

Thanks JFC=PhilHL. We certainly want it. Much the same way a junkie wants a fix.

cheers

David Prosser

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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2012, 11:14:28 AM »

i will happily throw the Sabres out, and the helicopters too, for  Planes of this kind.
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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2012, 06:01:11 AM »

i will happily throw the Sabres out, and the helicopters too, for  Planes of this kind.
Totally agree.  ;D  Nice one =JFC=PhilHL  8)
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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2012, 06:03:55 AM »

If you want I can release them here as alpha version?!

Oh mama!!! Yeeesss!!! (ps: what is left to do at this stage?)
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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2012, 10:15:26 PM »



This looks like another cool aircraft for the IL-2. I like those classic prop-driven machines.
I don´t think I have much on WW2 aircraft from France in my book collection, but I will check. If I find something
worth using for this airplane I will post the book for you guys to use.
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Re: C.714 , another Bete Noire for Friday
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2012, 05:48:30 AM »

William Green's "Warplanes of the Second World War: Fighters Vol. 1" gives the following specs for the C.714:
Engine- 450 hp Renault 12Rol
Max speed- 302.5 mph @ 13,120 ft.
Climb to 13,120 ft- 6.5 mins.
Service ceiling 29,55 ft.
Range- 599 miles @ 199 mph.
Weights- empty 3,086 lb.
             loaded 3,858 lb.
Dimensions- span 29 ft 5 in.
                 length 27 ft 11.75 in.
                 height 9 ft 5 in.
                 wing area 134.549 sq ft.
Armament- four 7.5mm MAC 1934 M39 machine guns, no mention of rpg.

For C.760:
Engine- 730 hp Isotta-Fraschini Delta R.C.40 12 cylinder.
Max speed- 285 mph @ sea level.
                 354 mph @16,400 ft.
Initial climb rate- 2,600 ft/min.
Climb to 13,120 ft- 5 mins.
Service ceiling-33,800 ft.
Endurance- 3  hrs 10 mins @ 298 mph @13,120 ft.
                1 hr 30 mins @ 95% power.
Weights- empty 3,179 lb.
             normal loaded 4.092 lb.
Dimensions- span 29 ft 5.125 in.
                 length 29 ft 2 in.
                 height 9 ft 6.125 in.
                 wing area 134.549 sq ft.
Armement- six 7.5mm MAC 1934 M39 machine guns with 300 rpg,later to be increased to 1000, 1200 and finally 1500 rpg.
Fuel capacity: one 86 Imp. Gal. fuel tank between engine and cockpit.

It isn't much info, but better than nothing I suppose.
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