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[bomberkiller]

Grand opera here for a little piece of new music... 

I love my old 4.10 & DBW 100 GB (without WWI & Jets)!

Regards, Gerhard 

[slipper]

Yes but you can't really say CUP works with 4.13 until you have tried everything in CUP, which is a massive undertaking.

Look at CUP at the moment under 4.12. Despite the best intentions and great effort put in by Monty and his team, there are still countless problems arising that need addressing just to get a 4.12 version working correctly. Who has the wil to start over again for a 4.13 version of CUP.

I agree whole heartedly with mike, base game changes should have been backwards compatible, they aren't, which is massively detrimental to the game.

Personally I left upgrading to 4.12 until CUP came out. However my main interest is in night fighting, which 4.12 cannot handle well. So now I will have to make a fresh 4.10 install for night fighting, as this is the only version that supports the main must have night fighting mods, poltava has come to a similar conclusion with his DBW selection of mods.

This means though that any further mods related to 4.12 or 4.13 related to nightfighting probably will not work in my 4.10 install.

I'm not sure anymore if I can even be bothered to try and keep 2 installations up to date, the amount of housekeeping far outweighs any actual playing time. I even fear for me the days of il-2 could be numbered due to insurmountable amount of hurdles put in our way to get a game we would like.

Starting to think my spare time has better uses than updating and housekeeping a game for which the goal posts move every few months.

[bomberkiller]

But as far as flight Sims go; In my opinion Il2 has more in it and going for it than ALL the other flight Sims put together!

bump 

[Darkwind]

Just got to admit, we are all bunch of old IL-2 addicts waiting for our next fix! 

[Griffon_301]

I am partly with slipper on this; I still have my tried and trusted DBW/newTFM 4.10 install and a new 4.12 geared towards CUP and even this is highly modded by now to fix some missing mods, add more planes and add stuff that has been released in between....
what we are missing now is quality stuff in the campaigns department....

I have downloaded 4.13 but do not have any intention to add a dedicated 4.13 install to my collection by now; the new planes are not worth the effort and as I am mostly a single player guy, I do not need the new multicrew features for MP;
also, I am sure that the E13 and the the other plane updates will find their way into other game versions given some time so no need for me to upgrade to 4.13 or (after heaving read the readme for it and understood the implications) have the silly idea to throw a 4.12 modpack over 4.13 and spend the next half year just trying to get it to run properly then...

what I am really waiting for is campaigns and I am sure Simon and Peter are working hard on creating some new ones or adapt some of their old ones for us;

so thanks to TD for 4.13 but ehm no, I will rather stick with perfecting 4.12 and CUP and adding stuff to my oldiebutgoldie 4.10 install;

[Chupacabras84]

Spot on Griffon.

[Griffon_301]

oh and I forgot to add now that we have guys like deci, moe, chupa, bk, gerax and of course the creators of CUP and many others I forgot to mention right now posting and finding problems and fixing them as well here on the forum, let us concentrate on making CUP better and better. 4.12 is mostly a well known platform by now while 4.13 is not...another reason to stick with 4.12 for the time being and get this polished to near perfection...

[Chupacabras84]

B-b-but I haven't done much *shy.
Still thanks for mentioning me, that reminded me there are a few bugs I was looking into b4 I started reading on the archanes of mixture adjustment (that was about a week ago)..

Agree with the rest of what you said, adapting ALL THOSE MODS to new version of IL2, every time its released, is a freaking wild goose chase.
We still haven't got everything working with 4.10 much less with 2.12 and now what, 2.13.
I wish devs would have more consideration and respect for our time as well, its not like modders find it fun, adapting their old mod to a new version, all the time, MP suffers as well 

[vegetarian]

"so thanks to TD for 4.13 but ehm no, I will rather stick with perfecting 4.12 and CUP and adding stuff to my oldiebutgoldie 4.10 install;"

Yep, I agree. Installed it and had a look - a great job by TD, but only marginal worth for me at this stage. Its campaigns that make this game worth playing, and each new update fragments the game further and makes it even more difficult for campaign builders. Compatibility should be the main aim - which I understand is the goal behind CUP.

[Mono27]

Another il-2 install?? Noooo!! 

I agee. I will keep using my 4.12 CUP too. And I hope that someone can make the new planes and cockpits work in 4.12 as individual addons.

[SAS~GJE52]

Judging by the tone of most of the posts in this thread, it looks as if 4.13 will become the new 4.11 ....

Given the general mood of the community and with all of the work in hand to improve compatibility, I personally think that this is not just "too little too late" but that it is fundamentally flawed, not only in it's content but more importantly in it's concept.


...."You remember 4.11, Mav.... it was the one that came between 4.10 and 4.12 ...... like this".






Ok some of the kids may rave about it.. but, as with 4.11, when it comes to the serious modders and mod users...




G;

[SAS~Storebror]

Lol...

it looks as if 4.13 will become the new 4.11

...and unfortunately it can easily become the end of the road.
So much time has been lost already, so many opportunities have been missed.
All those incompatibility issues never needed to be and they should not have been in the first place, but meanwhile the ship ran full steam against the cliffs and it might be too late to turn the tide already.
Getting everything back compatible to the last point where the community was more or less united (read: 4.10 at least, some will even say 4.09) will be a tough task now.


Best regards - Mike