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Criminal Activities against SAS
« on: September 09, 2015, 01:36:36 AM »

Dear SAS Members,

Today we have good news and bad news for you. Not really worth an announcement but we though we should let you know.

The bad news is that we became victim of unauthorized access to an Editor Account of the SAS.
The good news is that all your personal data remains safe.
Since even the owners of this forum have no chance to either reveal the password of other accounts of our forum, nor accessing personal messages or abuse other member's accounts for posting etc., the criminals who abused the Editor Account of SAS had no chance to do so either.
Those who don't feel safe with this can change their account password at any time, that's up to you.
The editor account leak has been patched two days ago.
Further measures have been taken to avoid similar situations in the future.
The criminals' accounts have been identified and suspended.
The owners of those criminal accounts have confessed their activities, however the destinations where all the stolen content and information have been leaked to so far are only known to a limited extend.

It's sad that certain members of the IL-2 modding community take this game serious up to a point where they don't even refrain from criminal activities, trying to cause harm to the SAS at any cost.

The Editor Account fraud remained undetected for exactly 4 weeks, this sheds a different light on recent mod releases "elsewhere" too, since a very prominent mod of these days has been worked on among the Editors of SAS for about half a year already - the timeframe for the release at a different location right now just fits.
Following this account fraud, over at "the other side" at least 4 WIP mods which have been confidential so far have been leaked as well, this includes the Hawker Hunter and the English Electric Canberra (both internal SAS WIPs have been posted there publically, threads have been pulled meanwhile), the P-51R "Galloping Ghost" (screenshots remain visible in the F7F release thread there) and the Mirage III (announcement for a public release to be expected soon in the same F7F thread over there).

In the recent past we once again had to face serious accusations, personal attacks, insults and indignity for releasing an improved version of a mod
  • based on freeware 3rd party sources
  • containing SAS mods
  • requiring further SAS mods to work
  • while giving full credit to the alleged original authors
while at the same time the same people who complain about this had no hesitation to perform criminal activities against us.

Once again a line has been crossed and we will not hesitate to take further legal action if need be.
Account fraud is illegal all over the world, and in the countries where the responsible persons live high penalties can be imposed for doing so.
It's sad to see how some people seem to have no other thing in mind but causing damage to us and to the IL-2 modding community as a whole.
Speaking of the IL-2 modding community, we hope that there is not doubt about the stance towards criminal acts like this.
This is no "it depends" thing, it's black or white, yes or no. You can either condemn or support such actions, there is no inbetween.
While other community site's concept of cyber crime is not our business, we will take note of the reactions and it goes without saying that we don't see no need for the SAS to be a comfortable place for those who deliberately try to cause damage to us and to our beloved game.

These attempts to cause damage come along in different ways.
Any kind of criminal attacks against a community site for sure falls into that category.
Taking a project from a working group pre-release is clearly theft and falls into that category too.
Besides these obvious criminal activities another less recognized way of trying to kill IL-2 modding is the attempt to apply 'Copyrights' to released freeware work.
Rest assured we will not support this silly 'Copyright' business, we won't let anyone dictate what shall be allowed in modding or not.
SAS was founded precisely to break these types of absurd chains, it's the freedom of modding that made us the biggest and, even more important, most enjoyable IL-2 modding website on this planet.
For the latter we would like to thank you, our members, who keep up this atmosphere of educated well behaving people, quite in contrast to certain places where every second post is filled with nothing but hate, envy and disgust.
We don't need to put up "FREE" posters across our banners, we're free by nature.

Let's try to keep up the good atmosphere here.
What happens elsewhere happens elsewhere, it's not our business.
Everyone's entitled to form his/her own opinion and we encourage you to do so.
Recent events show that nothing's like it seems to be at first glance, it's always worth a second thought.

Yours sincerely

The SAS Administration

P.S.: Please feel free to post your comments if you like, whether or not you agree with us.
We know that different perceptions exist of what has been done, how it has been done and what might have been done better.
We're by no means infallible. Constructive criticism is always welcome, this gives us the chance to improve and/or explain the reasons behind certain decisions.
We just ask you to keep it civil and we beg for your understanding that we might not answer to each and every question within a second or two, we've got some lifes to live too :)
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2015, 02:14:20 AM »

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Let's try to keep up the good atmosphere here.
What happens elsewhere happens elsewhere, it's not our business.
Everyone's entitled to form his/her own opinion and we encourage you to do so.
Recent events show that nothing's like it seems to be at first glance, it's always worth a second thought.

Hello SAS Admins, hi friends,

Thank you for these wise words!

As I had already written so often: I always thought that all IL-2 pilots are friends.

Unfortunately, I realized in the last two years that some IL-2 pilots are incorrigibly vain and apparently have a lot of fun to unnecessary quarrels.

That's a shame!

When we'll have a finite ending of this embarrassing chickenshit (Kinderkacke)?

Please forgive me this evil but truthful words.

With best regards,

Gerhard
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2015, 02:29:29 AM »

When we'll have a finite ending of this embarrassing chickenshit (Kinderkacke)?
Please forgive me this evil but truthful words.
Already forgiven :D
Experience tells that there is no end to it, unfortunately.
You know each coin has two faces, and in the SAS<->FM history there have been mistakes on both sides.
Eventually FM started collecting people who, for whatever reasons, had to forfeit their membership here, and that's the point where it became unlikely that we will ever get along fine with each other.
This is one of the many reasons why we decided to clearly separate SAS from FM, not to fight their existence (in fact they fill a gap and that's fine), but to keep this place clean of the inevitable tensions arising otherwise.
Latest incidents show that this decision was damn right.

Nevertheless: Both sides carry their part of it so this is not about "who started it?", it merely raises the question "why does it have to repeat endlessly and why does it have to become worse each time?".

Best regards - Mike
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2015, 02:34:24 AM »

I have to say I think you are doing a really good job of policing the site.

I have spent a lot of time on development sites and have often been the target of abuse and flame wars from people I was just trying to help, I don't see any of that here.

Also I have never been part of a forum that has stayed as clean as this one. By that I mean free of blatant autobot posters. Many of the sites I have used are blighted with posts that start of with a block of random text followed by an advert for penis extensions, or some other random crap. (That includes several Microsoft owned sites  :P )

Keep up the good work, you will always have my support whenever you need it.
 
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2015, 02:45:27 AM »

'Copyright' of any freeware project for a cracked 10 year old game is daft.  Especially when nothing in the modern modded game, 412 and above, will function properly without code, and projects, such as the SASEngineMOD, developed and released here freely for everyone.

However, hacking an account and taking a project pre-release, while it is still being worked on, is theft pure and simple!  Developers often keep mods under wraps while work is done because the whole process gets too complicated otherwise.  Violating that space, which is also a criminal offence in the real world, is quite disgusting.

That said the offending posts have been swiftly removed from FM, so I guess somebody there appreciates how wrong it is or they are probably just embarrassed.
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2015, 03:06:47 AM »

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"why does it have to repeat endlessly and why does it have to become worse each time?" 

Why, because there are sadly guys like Ice Eagle (or Battln_Bastard as he is also known at M4T and other places) in our community, you only have to look at his posts to realize there is something "not quite right" there. That and the fact that no decent site would give him the space to post that stuff.

However, more to the point here, he has admitted accessing restricted areas and private accounts here at SAS and elsewhere.. even posting screenshots of his ill gotten gains and bragging about it. I think he is too stupid to realize that these are actually illegal acts that he has admitted to and he has also provided all the necessary proof. (and yes, I have all of the screen shots)



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I could easily, and I mean easily release ALOT of superschool projects I have, along with "spoiler alert:
BEEEEEEEEP" and in one swoop keep SAS closed for buisness for the next 3 years.
But here at FM.. we're a universe more mature then those two clowns who go by the name of GJE52 & Storebror(sp?).
Those two are singularly responsible for any actions taken. No ands, ifs, or buts about it.

Nobody else at FM has them, only me, in my archives. Just me knowing that those two clowns know
that I have what they have, is good enough for me. Its the gift that keeps on giving. ICE = WINNING.
But frankly, nothings even worth releasing.. its like amatuer hour at a 3rd rate comedy club.. like
really thats all you got? Yikes.. you two boys need to step it up.

And the battle crys from SAS of "but you posted pics"

Yah? Who cares that I posted pics of the P51Xracer. Big deal. It is however a personal gift to JGE52.. so yah
"BONUS POINTS".

But peanuts compared to the rest of what I have.. depending on how one looks at it. Anyways, oh yah,
He knows I have it.. that ain't my fault, its his, but more importantly, its the DIRECT result of Storebror aka
theMiSfits posting of the F7F at SAS, and claiming bogus claims of 'repairs' and fixing 'compatibilty', and
removing credits. So blame him buddy. Not me. U 2 pissed off ALOT of people over multiple websites
including yours. So what did you expect would happen? When you two do this crap over and over and over?
We'd all hug it out while singing khum-buh-yah?

Oh and "Standing, albeit precariously, on the shoulders of giants" aka: 'nanos gigantum humeris insidentes"
should be changed to "corvus oculum corvi non eruit".. just sayin.

So, last, but certainly not the least, a bit of an observation: Jealousy, my dear GJE & Storebror.. is a mental
cancer, and its running rampant in both of you.

Ice Eagle is tired of typing.. so Ice Eagle is gonna go kamakazi in my personal P-51Xracer right into the side
of the USS.. well.. nevermind.

Ice Eagle out.   



Modifying work that has been released and which is based on non-copyrighted or freeware material is legal ... hacking into private accounts and stealing personal/private files is very definitely not....


Apart from the fact that his actions may have far reaching consequences for him yet, (I am taking advice on that) the site concerned should consider how they deal with condoning and supporting the illegal acts of one of their members. They say you can judge a site by the quality of the people who want to be it's members ....... I think that says it all.


SAS~GJE52




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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2015, 03:10:20 AM »

This whole shit makes me sick..

This game is a hobby. Something to relax after a day of hard work .

Nothing more !

Some people in the "community"  forget this sometimes ...


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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2015, 03:34:40 AM »

Thanks for informing us Mike. Nevertheless our Admins be sure to
have my understanding and support, since you're doing a good
job keeping our familly together.
Kind Regards
Tobias
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2015, 03:54:24 AM »

This is just sad. Like Docholiday says, its just a hobby. Why foul things up with this sort of childish, petulant shit.   Unbelievable!
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2015, 04:26:02 AM »

Shame! >:( It is a Shame having this type of behaviour against SAS or any other site.
Nobody benefits with this :(
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
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Re: Criminal Activities against SAS
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2015, 08:30:54 AM »

This just goes out to all the SAS Team; especially those who know me... It honestly kills me to see what has become of SAS; like... There were day's we'd all laugh our asses off and joke and have so much fun, these day's, it's so much banning, and drama and fighting between the SAS and FM thing... Like, I'm tearing up right now, just, upset and honestly Heartbroken by what's happened here.. I'd just wish this all would stop and that things would get better, but then again, that's just... Perhaps, too unrealistic for now, after all this is the outside world, but yeah.. I don't talk and all so much here, but the longer I'm around, I just see others bullying and harassing SAS constantly...

It's gone to such a point where honestly, I wouldn't really mind taking lives away, just over a silly internet quarrel, but then again, it's probably just a reflex comment from my emotions, but honestly, I've had it... Whoever leaked this information, if he was within the same living area and I knew who, he/she, no matter what age or condition, would honestly be in hospital right now... But yeah... It's just such a shame... At the end of the day, I'm just glad I can spend the weekends with someone I really care about, and just forget this all.. Not that I want to forget SAS or you guys, but you get what I mean?

Just.. WHEN will this stop? Aren't we being too lean and merciful already? Just... Sort it out, for once and for all, with whatever means we need... Then again, I'm known to be noisy and rather immature, but it's just my honest opinion, to you guys as family, since SAS is my home... You know? Hate/Support, it really doesn't matter but that's what I feel...

Feel free to delete or remove it if you wish; be it for my own good or what, but I'm so tired of being nice to people and giving people a chance.. Just... Finish them off already...

Sincerely,
KawaiiKiller, aka Ghost129er/Ricky
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