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Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« on: March 09, 2012, 12:27:25 PM »

As a result of a thread I read the other day (csvousden) that mentioned a lack of Japanese Cruisers in the IL2 world, here are two for a rainy Friday :

The Nagara Class Light Cruisers ,
                             


and the Mogami Class Heavy Cruisers
                       

Japanese Light Cruisers ( KEI JUNYOTAN) were built in 8 classes before and during WW2.
Agano , Oyodo , Nagara , Kuma , Naka , Tenryu , Yubari , and Katori Classes.

Japanese Heavy Cruisers ( IHO JUNYOKAN) were built in 5 classes before and during WW2.
Furutaka , Myoko , Takao , Mogami , and Tone Classes.

I propose modding the Nagara Class Light Cruiser - the most numerous,
and the Mogami Class Heavy Cruiser in two versions , as it served both as a heavy cruiser and later as a floatplane cruiser.



Nagara Class Light Cruisers
The Nagara-class light cruisers were the first Japanese cruisers to be equipped with the famed 610-millimeter Type 62 "Long Lance" torpedoes that were so successful in the Pacific War. These light cruisers were based on the previous Kuma-class design and were similar to British Royal Navy cruisers in terms of layout, but through the 1930s and 1940s they receive numerous upgrades that made them stand out more. Some of the upgrades were fairly extensive, even during war time, such as the post-Midway modernization that removed the entire No. 5 and No. 7 gun turrets on each ship in favor of additional anti-aircraft weapons and air search radars sets. Of the six ships built, none of the Nagara-class light cruisers survived the Pacific War; many of them fell victim to American submarines.

There were 6 Vessels built in the Nagara Class between 1922 and 1925 :

Nagara



Isuzu




Yura




Natori





Kinu




and

Abakuma




Abakuma AAA mount


Nagara  class weighed in at 5,570 tons displacement
534'9" x 48'5" x 16'0"
capable of 36 knots

Armament :
7 x 5.5" 50 calibre guns
up to 36 x 25mm AAA
6 x 13mm AAA MG

Crew 438
8 x 24" Torp Tubes


Mogami Class Heavy Cruisers
These ships win the prize for "Egregious Treaty Violation." The London Naval Treaty of 1930 (a follow-on to the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922) specified that cruisers of all signatory nations were to be held to displacements of 10,000 tons. Mogami, when first built, weighed in at about 13,400 (although I should also mention that some other Japanese CAs had been rebuilt by that point to exceed even this displacement). Not surprisingly, foreign naval observers were a little suspicious about her. Turns out that even given her extra displacement, she was overloaded. When she began running trials, it was discovered that firing all the guns of her main battery simultaneously had the unpleasant effect of popping the welds along her sides. Hmmm... When first launched, these ships were officially classified as light cruisers, because they were armed with 15 x 6" guns. They had been cleverly designed so that the turret base rings would also accept a dual 8" turret when the time came, and all were re-armed this way shortly before the war. Very sneaky...

At the battle of Midway, Mogami was very nearly sunk, and it was decided to rebuild her as an a hybrid cruiser/carrier to carry additional float planes. As you probably gathered from my comments on Ise and Hyuga, I'm not very impressed with this move, because none of these hybrid ships were very useful as aviation vessels. I find it ironic that Mogami's last action was to be sunk at the hands of the same U.S. battleships that sank Fuso and Yamashiro in Surigao Strait. Apparently, she was useless enough as an aviation vessel that she wasn't even included in Ozawa's sacrificial carrier bait force, but was relegated to surface combat duty with the two oldest BBs in the Japanese Navy.

There were 4 vessels built in the Mogami class between 1935 and 1937 :

Mogami



Mikuma


I guess everyone loves lemonade????!!!Mikuma stern detail


Mogami Class bow detail


Suzua



Kumano


Suzua / Kumano Bridge equipment comparison (wish I could read japanese!)


Midships details


Turret CU (which calibre gun?)


...more assembly instructions :D



Mogami class weighed in a t 13,440 tons displacement
649'10" x 66'3" x 19'4"
capable of 35 knots



Armament :
10 x 8" 50 calibre guns
8 x 5" 40 calibre guns
up to 50 x 25mm AAA
12 x 24" Torp Tubes

Crew 850


After Midway, Mogami was modified into a float plane cruiser


As always , more details and corrections appreciated.


I hope the shipwrights out there see some appeal in these.

Kopfdorfer

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Re: Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2012, 12:39:25 PM »

I have Nagara CL base 3D model.

After 4~6 months, I will begin to import Nagara to IL-2 1946.
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Re: Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2012, 12:43:48 PM »

Very very sneaky , Western!

It looks very good too.


Looking forward to it!
kopfdorfer
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Re: Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2012, 01:03:34 PM »

@western: Looking great!

@Kopfdorfer: Mogami class CAs are really beautiful ships.
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Re: Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 01:20:02 PM »

Kinu/abakuma already in HSFX5? we need porting it over?
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Re: Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 02:27:29 PM »

It's the IJNS Kuma by Emil
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Re: Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 07:07:21 PM »

Ahhh Kuma? I didn't know. That is great.

I shoulda knowed it already !

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Re: Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2012, 07:56:55 PM »

Hey Kopf,

One of the most valuable bits of info for a 3d modeler is cross-sectional views, especially for ships where you really need hull cross sections in order to get the lines right.

You're building a valuable library of web links and images, but really detailed drawings - like blueprints, 3d cutaway views and cross-sections basically give a 3d monkey the info they need to get started.

Additionally, pictures or graphics of the machine from odd angles, interior shots (e.g., wheel wells, crew stations, engine compartments) and technical manuals are also a tremendous help.

In some situation, links to period films can also be helpful, since they sometimes show moving parts in motion. That gives the modder a sense of how far things like bomb-bay doors, flaps, cowl flaps, etc, should travel. Motion pictures can also sometimes show details, in passing, that aren't available in still photos.

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Re: Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2012, 06:44:51 AM »

Yes thanks Purs,

                           I remember this critique from before , and I am aware. I am happy for my shallow thoughts to spark someone else with the access to more detailed info to contribute. Also - after posting my initial request , I almost always augment them with what tidbits I can find.


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Re: Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 04:32:41 AM »

Wow the float plane cruiser version is what is really missing.

Keep going Kopfi.
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Re: Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2012, 04:45:48 AM »

It would be a great addition to IL-2.

To comes with the Mogami, maybe a Tone Class or an Agano class should be interresting.
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Re: Two For Friday - Japanese Nagara and Mogami Class Cruisers
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2012, 08:12:09 AM »

They had LEMONADE PRODUCTION PLANTS on board the ship?  ???

What a great NAVY, where do I sign up!  ;D  BANZAI !

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Wait a minute!!!! I just remembered now... the U.S. Navy had a few ships making ICE CREAM for the troops
during the WW2. Now that is a very "cool" ship.  8) I donĀ“t think any of those ships were sunk by the enemy.
They like ice cream and lemonade too much.



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