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[Sleepingdragon]

  I was flying the Fury last night experimenting with a cold war scenario, and it has some advantages that are mirrored in the F-86H; 4 20mm, lots of thrust, and it has a refueling probe htat would easily have been modified onto an H if they needed it, for compatibility with the KB-29 and KB-50 early models (yup, KB-50 is on the way).

I found the motherload of Sabre skins, both F and K, at Cromhunt, but the F skins all have 6 .50s incorporated rather than 4 20s of hte Fury. The skins fit the Fury, but the armament isn't right. I know it's not an H, but it's close, and it's certainly a better hack than the SBD as a T-6 etc (I"ve done that myself long ago, got a great skin for it).

The H was in service in the ANG in large numbers into the 70s, and wound up in Vietnam colors from the late 60s on, though it nver saw combat. LIke the Fury, I think it would've been more than a match for the Mig-17+19, Hunter, etc. We don't have one on hte horizon, so.................

This is the one I was kinda looking at for a mid-50s set of conflicts in various alternate universes, a la "sliders" and Star Trek. Would look great on a Fury. The open spot on the tail stripe should be solid, as I don't have a squadron insignia for it.



This is a bit of a variation. I'd want the US AIR FORCE on its side, as most of them had. The tail stripes are another option but I'd settle for either style, and I'd rather have solid yellow on all the tip of the nose (also seems to be easier to do I suppose).


Kinda like this.


This is a bit more elaborate, but nice. A bit more time consuming to make methinks, but a nice possibility .




And here's  afew more that would make great subjects for skinners wanting to expand the type of AC available for us. It's a target rich environment. (and the oft neglected ANG is a subject not well covered).






I think the Mass. ANG has more variations on this theme than anyone else.


What is it with this clover thing? Looks good though.




Another popular scheme that seems a bit work intensive with all those little stars, but looks great.


















I really like this one.






THis one needs US AIR FORCE on the side, and the yellow on the nose would be easier to do if it were solid I think.


THis is a neat period shot. If you really want to get into detail, note the blast scoring around the guns. This is how they looked in regular use.


I like this one alot......give it to me, or I will destroy the planet. I was the guy the Mayans were talking about in that calender that ends a couple of weeks from now.






This is how they spent the last few yrs of service in the late 60s into the 70s, Vietnam type camo. That's the standard National Guard emblem on the tail.




Variations on a theme.




A recent restoration. The TAC emblem on the tail would be right for the late 50s,60s.










Note the PV2 in teh background. Only view I could find of this one.






Anyway you get the idea. You guys are missing a really overloaded boat if you don't grab at least a few of these skins. There was alot of Sabre service in various models after Korea, and they would fit the Fury very well in its use as an H model hack, since it's so close in performance. Thanx for your consideration. 


 

[airkidgeek]

+1 for this! I support any new skin for my beloved Fury that now I nicknamed Christine

[Fresco23]

sleepingdragon, I'd love to give this a try! I was flying sabre's yesterday on a friends custom scenario and last night skinned a personal craft for myself. I ended up doin two or three, and frankly, it put me in a sabre skinning mood! I'll post a picture of one when i get a moment to take a screenshot probably in about an hour.

I use US-GRANTs awesome template which will skin both F and K sabres, and so it has the four cannon option! Looking forward to helping if i can!

fresco

[Fresco23]

hi sleepingdragon,

This is an example of a sabre i skinned using US-GRANT's template.


custom sabre by Fresco 23, on Flickr

i did notice however that the cannon on the K model sabres are not in exactly the same place as the cannon on your H model sabres, but i think it will pretty simple to copy the layer and move the new cannon to the correct locations! If you like, ill go ahead and start on a couple of your suggested schemes. Let me know what you think.

fresco

[duffys tavern]

Now I like that! Wow!

[Sleepingdragon]

  Hey go for it!! Yeah, the cannon placement is what's a pain. I didn't know what was involved in just moving the gun positions. If you could look at the first couple of htem, I'd appreciate it. Also keep in mi8nd that most of them at the time period in question (post Korea) had US AIR FORCE on the sides of the fuselage, OR (state) AIR GUARD, along with USAF on the tops and bottoms of the wings in the appropriate positions.

Are you sure the Dog sabres (D and K) can use the same skins as the E/F? It's a completely different fuselage and tail methinks. The D was originally the F-95 (or something close), and the USAF changed the designation to a variant of the Sabre so they could get it through Congress - this is EXACTLY what they did recently with the F-18E/F Super Hornet. That thing has no commonality wiht the legacy C and D Hornets at all other than general layout, and is a much larger strike fighter that's mainly for ground attack. Spare parts are not interchangable, nor are most of them with the F and D/K Sabres.

Take a close look at some of the photos I posted. You will see that there are as many variations on the colors in the post Korea period as there are personalities in the average humanoid female (don't tell'em I said that-I like 'em, but..... ).

The best source I found for F-86F/K skins (two totally different planes btw) is cromhunt. It was the ONLY source for K skins I could find. Keep in mind that NONE of these or any others I can find have been made for the D. These skins have all been covered for the F,E, but only a few would be found on an H. Just keep in mind these have been done on the F/E/K already (but not on the H(Fury) or D)  .
http://cromhunt.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=downloadskins&action=display&thread=147

Also take a look at the 25th BW photo down (I think it's 25); the H being towed out of the hangar by a tow tractor wiht a C-54 behind it in the hangar. The stripe on the tail is probably amber or green (plenty of htem on here), and the very tip of the nose ring (to the first seem in front of the guns) appears to be white, though I don't know how it could be so clean while leaving all that smudge around the others. Appears to be a pretty simple, generic scheme. I like the serial number style on the tail. Can't see the unit insig on the tail stripe, but it's not important in this context.

The ones I was thinking might be the easiest and most practical are illustration #1, 22, 23, and 25 (photo), for the applications I have in mind for the post Korea projects I'm working on in the FMB (that's about all I can do to try and be worthy of your efforts). It's YOUR time, so you do whatever of these blows your whistle and is within your ability. They don't have to be perfect to every detail.

This one would fit an H very well, looks great here, just needs a 20mm fury equivalant and seems pretty simple and time cost effective.

Just make sure you do your own thing, unless you can get permission from the original author to modify it a tad. I don't even know if that guy ever shows up there anymore. Check the dates on the posts.
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This is nice to, though it might be easier and quicker to make the whole nose tip blue instead of trying to wrap those stripes around it. Keep in mind that I want to use this in alternate universe/history kinda stuff, so there's some differences will be OK; I mean, Spock even had a beard in one of them (disregard if you are not familiar with the original Star Trek).


I also liked this one. Feel free to simplify the tail striping if it saves a bit of time. I've never done painting before (the FMB is tuff enough), so I don't know what's involved in such.


I have a ton of this stuff on my photobucket account to. I can send the link if you need. I can also find stuff pretty good regarding this (see my post in the requests section for DBW on the B-50).

You will have enough stuff to last a while if you are board, trapped on a desert island (without Mary-Ann or Ginger....I have my priorities), or just want to expand the post Korea era that seems to be a bit short on material in the skins dept for these jets.

You will note that the K skins all fit the 20mm pattern of plane and make the D look like it has cannon. I have not been able to find any D skins at all, anywhere. NOR have I seen ANY of the Air National Guard colors/markings, except for the F-47 in Air Guard markings BeeBop did for my late 40s project I'm almost done with. The E/F Sabres also served in the guard well into the late 50s. They also served in the South Korean and Taiwan (Nationalist China) airforces well into the 60s. The ones on Taiwan saw frequent combat with Chinese Migs.

THis can certainly give you some practice on skinning, so don't be intimidated    but I'm really into the time period and the AC involved. All I need for this project might be a couple of skins from regular USAF squadrons post Korea 1950s......for now. I drove Beebop into a home for the uncertain with all the work he's done for me  ??? . You just do what you are comfy with. You're bound to find some stuff in here you can enjoy and generate some intersest with. It's not like the 14 millionth 109 or FW skin; this is a niche that is not well covered yet, but is rich in material. Note the ever changing unit markings, especially for the ANG units. 

You can post these on M4T among others if you want, as it's got alot of traffic for these planes. 

[Sleepingdragon]

Ok, I didn't even realize that Hs could refuel with this system. I guess we can make do with the probe system the Fury has, but at least it can refuel in the air.

[Fresco23]

yeah... too bad it can't connect with the b29 though, that would be pretty sweet.

and i must admit that i did indeed understand your refrence to Spock's beard! One of my favorites episodes! 


p.s.: just noticed that sabre refueling in your pic has his gear dropped.... presumably to fly slower for docking???? hmmm....

fresco

[Sleepingdragon]

Yes, more drag, slower. The B-29 was just too slow, hence the KB-50 wiht J-47 jets added for more speed. Then the KC-97, which wasn' t any faster but carried more fuel.

THIS is the reason the KC-135 was developed, which morphed into the Boeing 707 airliner, not the other way around btw. Had to have jets to refuel jets. The B-47 would have made a good tanker conversion (as the Soviets/Chinese have done the Tu-16/H-6), but they were all needed as bombers. By the time the B-47s were retired (1966), the KC-135s were online, so it wasn't needed.

I didn't even know the F-86H could refuel like that anyway. Seems to have been a bit simpler to have just used the probe system.

Seems a bit redundant to have tankers if all the planes so equiped can't refuel from them. Is the skyraider tanker the only one that actually works? What can the KB-29 refuel? Anything? KB-29s had the probe/hose system in the wingtip pods, as did the KB-50s. 

Seems a bit incomplete, but I can't complain, as these guys put alot of time into this stuff. 

I converted an old 1948 cmpn msn I made for the YP-80 yrs ago to more modern jets, including the Fury, replacing the Yak-15s with Mig-15s,17s, and man it was great. I can see why AAMs are so needed, as it's HARD to get close enough to use the guns effectively. Nevertheless, I usually got at least one of them, and actually survived most of the time.

I ran out of gas in the Fury miles from the base at around 3500m (can't use the sabre cockpits in my cmputer since it gags it, but the same cockpits in HSFX run smoothly-go figure) . I decided to try and do the energy management thing, and I actually saw the base (northern kyushu-the big one) in the distance. Finally managed to do the Bob Hoover thing and make a decent landing at normal speed.  8)THAT was tricky, and also managed to taxi it off the runway onto a taxi way as the rest of the Sabres/Furies/F-80s began to land. It was great. Wold have been better if I could have used the cockpit.The instrument panels are just to rough on my computer in DBW for some reason, but not in HSFX.

Still, the Fury is a great dogfighter. I'd love to take that online dressed as an F-86H.