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Stalingrad: Pavlov's house and Zabolotny's house
« on: December 13, 2012, 08:20:08 PM »

Right folks, so I've been playing Red Orchestra 2, bless its cotton socks and all, which completely rekindled my interest in the Battle of Stalingrad.

One of the maps was the famous Pavlov's House (named for Sgt Pavlov, who led the defence of it for a while) and 9th January square et al. It's a nicely made map, and seems reasonably realistic, from the period sketchmaps which are available online. One of the objectives on the map is a second, slightly smaller building, named Zab's house, short for Zabolotny, who I believe was a Lieutenant. Other than that there seems to be very little to get there. Wiki barely mentions Zab's House in its article on Pavlov's house; Antony Beevor barely mentions Pavlov's house in passing.

The internet offers up only that it was held at the same time, used the same communications trench as Pavlov's house and was eventually flattened by arty.

I was thinking, there must surely be more about this place out there, possibly in Russian. Does anyone know anything else about Zabolotny's house? How long did it hold? Why was it crushed by arty but not the bigger, more serious threat, Pavlov's house? How many men garrisoned it? Was it subject to many infantry attacks before it was bombed? Anything at all that anyone knows would be appreciated, purely because I'm a history nerd. Cheers awfully!


Here are some pictures for your trouble.. Dom Pavlova and Dom Zabolotny are on the lower right of the below map.



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Re: Stalingrad: Pavlov's house and Zabolotny's house
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2012, 01:36:57 AM »

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Re: Stalingrad: Pavlov's house and Zabolotny's house
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 02:45:16 AM »

Excellent! Thank you, that translated article was fantastic. Many thanks mate.
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Re: Stalingrad: Pavlov's house and Zabolotny's house
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2012, 05:27:45 AM »

 Yes Moggy! Stalingrad was more than "The Battle", was the absolute hell, a personal ego war Hitler/Stalin, i have big respect for the real "THE FEW", who survive that and + after all    years of in siberia...

   Great links!  http://www.fireonthevolga.com/3D-Model.htm

 

 
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Re: Stalingrad: Pavlov's house and Zabolotny's house
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2012, 05:46:01 AM »

Again, many thanks! Some interesting links that I shall enjoy going through entirely. That map shows presumably the Barrikady Factory and Spartakovka?
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Re: Stalingrad: Pavlov's house and Zabolotny's house
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2012, 07:07:07 AM »

Virtual museum:
http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/docs/tour_pan/msb_tour.html

That's an interesting link.
You can zoom in very closely and count every single brick of the house.
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Re: Stalingrad: Pavlov's house and Zabolotny's house
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2012, 09:03:06 AM »

I just ready a book from 'The Works' called Stalingrad (usual £7.99, reduced to £1.99!! at
the Birmingham store), and it has 4 or 5 pages relating to the battle around just Pavlov's House - it was centered by a crossroads, that it had a minimum of 700m range of sight along main access roads in its area, and it only had an average of 50 soldiers who were constantly there 'manning it', although many more fought and died to keep it and the supports/communication trench to its rear in Soviet hands.
The Germans were for nearly a kilometer around it, were vary wary of ambush from it and the Soviet held cellars, niches and hiding spaces around it...

The building had many crawl spaces and holes knocked through its structure so that soldiers could move around internally, and also to shoot outside from the dark depths inside in almost any direction when needed...

As far as that book suggests, it only had one end of the building blown out/flattened - its left end if facing the German lines
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Re: Stalingrad: Pavlov's house and Zabolotny's house
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2012, 09:56:06 AM »

cool ive got ro2 as well, join my group the 76th grenadiers, for ro2 search "76.ID"
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Re: Stalingrad: Pavlov's house and Zabolotny's house
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2012, 09:56:15 AM »

Virtual museum:
http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/docs/tour_pan/msb_tour.html
Aerial Photographs:
http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/home_page_008.htm
Aerial Photographs of Dom Pavlova:
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=70055

Amazing! Simply amazing great websites.
Thanks for the links, I really enjoyed visiting that museum.
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