Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[wb21]

Something for our Yak jumpjets to call home:



"The Kiev class carriers (also known as Project 1143 or as the Krechyet (Gyrfalcon) class) were the first class of fixed-wing aircraft carriers built in the Soviet Union.

First laid down in 1970 the Kiev class was partially based on a design for a full-deck carrier proposed in Project Orel. Originally the Soviet Navy wanted a supercarrier similar to the American Kitty Hawk class. However, the smaller Kiev class design was chosen because it was considered to be more cost effective.

Unlike American or British carriers, the Kiev class is a combination of a cruiser and a carrier. In the Soviet Navy this class of ships was specifically designated as a heavy aviation cruiser rather than just an aircraft carrier. Although the ships were designed with an island superstructure to starboard, with a 2/3 length angled flight deck, the foredeck was taken up with the heavy missile armament. The intended mission of the Kiev class was support for strategic missile submarines, other surface ships and naval aviation; it was capable of engaging in anti-aircraft, anti-submarine and surface warfare." - Wiki

NB: I did not include the one-off Project 11434 Baku/Admiral Gorshkov in this request -- I might include that here if needed

General characteristics

Displacement (tons):
*Standard:   30530 (Minsk – 30535, Novorossiysk – 31900)
*Full load:   41370 (Minsk – 41380, Novorossiysk – 43220)

Dimensions (m):
*Length:   273,1 (Minsk – 273, Novorossiysk – 273,1)
*Beam:   49,2 (Minsk – 49,2, Novorossiysk – 51,3)
*Draft:   8,95 (Minsk – 8,94, Novorossiysk – 9,3)
*Hangar   130 x 22.5 ? 6,6

Speed (kts):
*32,5

Range:   
*8000 nm (18 kts) (Minsk – 8590 nm (19 kts), Novorossiysk – 7160 nm (18 kts)),
*4000 nm (31 kts)

Autonomy (days):
*30

Propulsion:   
*4x45000 hp, steam turbines TV-12-3
*4 fixed pitch propellers
*6 turbine-type generators x1500 kW
*4 diesel-generators x1500 kW

Crew:   
*Kiev - 1433 (280 officers) + 430
*Minsk - 1435+430
*Novorossiysk – 1607+430

Hull numbers:
*Kiev: 852(1975), 860(1976), 812(1977), 802(1978), 060, 062(1978), 121(1982), 069(1983), 051(1985), 075(1988)
*Minsk: 015(1978), 130(1978), 117(1979), 042(1979), 011(1980), 025(1983), 038(1991), 015(1991)
*Novorossiysk: 137(1981), 018(1984), 028(1988), 010(1988), 028(1991)

Electronics:   
*Air/surface search radar MR-700 «Fregat-M»
*air/surface search radar MR-600 «Voskhod»
*2 surface radar MR-350 «Podkat» (Novorossiysk)
*ESM radar system «Kantata-M» (Novorossiysk)
*ESM radar system «Gurzuf» (Novorossiysk)
*ESM radar system «Gurzuf-1» (Novorossiysk)
*ESM radar system MR-262 «Ograda»
*ESM radar system «Kol`tco»
*navigation radar «Volga»
*navigation radar MR-212 «Vaygach-1143»
*«Kremiy-2M» IFF
*sonar MGK-335 «Platina»
*sonar MG-342 «Orion» (Novorossiysk – sonar MGK-355 «Polinom»)
*sonar MGS-407K, MI-110R, MI-110K
*combat information control system «Alleya-2» (Novorossiysk – «Alleya-2K»), «Korvet-1143»
*navigation complex «Salgir-1143» (Novorossiysk – navigation complex «Salgir-V»)
*space communication complex R-790 «Tcunami-BM»
*communication complex «Tayfun-1»
*PK-2 decoy RL (2 launchers ZIF-121) – rounds AZ-TST-41, AZ-PTST-41, AZ-TSP-47, AZ-TST-47, AZ-TSTV-47, AZ-TSO-47 (from 1985), AZ-TSR-47 (from 1991) – Fire control system «Tertciya»

Armament:
*4x2 launchers SM-241 anti-ship missile complex «Uragan-1143» (Novorossiysk – «Bazalt-11433») – Fire control system «Argon-1143» (16 missiles P-500 (4K80), Novorossiysk – 8 missiles)
*2x2 launchers B-187 SAM system M-11 «Shtorm» (96 missiles V-611 (4K60)) – 2 Fire control system «Grom-M»
*2x2 launchers ZIF-122 SAM system 4K33 «Osa-M» (40 missiles 9M33) – 2 Fire control system 4R-33 – not on Novorossiysk
*2x2 76 mm AK-726 (3400 rounds) – Fire control system MR-105 «Turel`»
*8x6 30 mm AK-630M (Kiev – AK-630) (32000 rounds) – 4 Fire control system MR-123 «Vympel-A»
*1x2 launchers MS-32 RPK-1 «Vyuga» (16 anti-submarine guided missiles 82R) – Fire control system «Sprut-1143» (Novorossiysk – Fire control system «Purga»)
*2x5 533 mm torpedo tubes PTA-53-1143 (10 torpedoes SET-53, SET-65) – then removed, not on Novorossiysk
*2x12 RBU-6000 «Smerch-2» (120 RGB-60) – Fire control system «Burya» (Novorossiysk – without fire control system)

Aircraft complement
*16 VTOL fighters Yak-38, Yak-38M (on Kiev at first – 20)
*18 helicopters Ka-25 (not on Kiev at first, Novorossiysk – Ka-27)
*2 helicopters Ka-25PS (Novorossiysk – Ka-27PS)
Other variants: 34 helicopters Ka-25 (on Kiev at first – 20, Novorossiysk – Ka-27), 2 helicopters Ka-25PS (Novorossiysk – ??-27PS) or 14 VTOL fighters Yak-38, Yak-38M, 2 training VTOL fighters Yak-38U, 2 helicopters Ka-25C, 16 helicopters Ka-25 (Novorossiysk – Ka-27), 2 helicopters Ka-25PS (Novorossiysk – Ka-27PS)

Ships:

Kiev

"The Kiev was laid down on 21 July 1970 and launched on 26 December 1972. She was completed and commissioned on 28 December 1975, but officially entered service only in February 1977, after completing all trials. In 1976 she was moved from the Black Sea to her destination Severomorsk, as a part of the Northern Fleet.

On 16 July 1976 she left Sevastopol - 20.7.76 began testing the Yakovlev Yak-36M (four Yak-36M and one Yak-36MU onboard) under sea conditions in the Mediterranean (off Crete). On 10.8.76 arrived in Severomorsk, Murmansk Oblast - attached to the 170th Anti-Submarine Warfare Brigade; 8.76 to 12.76 extensive tests in the Northern Fleet area; 12.4 to 19.4.77 took part in the Sever-77 exercise; 26.6.77 reclassified from PKR to TAVKR; 20.12.77 to 21.4.78 operations in the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean - 3.11.78 hit a sand bar, but suffered no damage; 4.8.78 took part in a local exercise; 11.10.78 final tests of the main missiles in the White Sea.

From 1977 to 1987, Kiev undertook 10 practice voyages to the Atlantic and Mediterranean Sea. In March 1979 she undertook manoeuvres with her sistership Minsk on the Mediterranean. In October 1981 she was a flagship in the massive fleet exercise Zapad-81 on the Baltic Sea. From December 1982 to November 1984 she underwent an overhaul and modernization in Mykolaiv. From 1985, the practice of operating Yakovlev Yak-38s in STOL mode instead of VTOL was introduced, allowing an increase in aircraft payload and range, and a replacement of Kamov Ka-25 helicopters with Kamov Ka-27 started. In 1985 Kiev went back to the Northern Fleet. From 1987 she mainly stayed in Severomorsk. In December 1989 she was moved to reserve. After the disintegration of the USSR, the ship was taken by Russia. Due to a low military budget and worsening ship's condition, she was retired on 30 June 1993.

In 1996 she was sold to a Chinese company, and has been part of Binhai Aircraft Park, a military theme park in Tianjin since 1 May 2004. The concept design and master plan for the park was developed by tourism and attraction consultant Leisure Quest International (USA).
In August 2011, the ex-Kiev began taking guests as its new role as a luxury hotel after a refit costing £9.6 million." -Wiki









Minsk

"Named after the capital city of Belarus, the Minsk was laid down in 1972, launched on 30 September 1975, completed on 27 September 1978, and decommissioned on 30 June 1993.
The Minsk operated with the Pacific Fleet. She was retired as a result of a major accident (details not known) which required the facilities at the Chernomorskiy yard, in Mykolayiv, located in the newly independent Ukraine (the reasons for not attempting a repair are not known). In 1995 she was sold to a South Korean businessman, and later resold to Shenzhen Minsk Aircraft Carrier Industry Company Limited, a Chinese company. Until 2006, when the company went bankrupt, Minsk was part of a military theme park in Yantian district, Shatoujiao sub-district, Shenzhen called Minsk World. The aircraft carrier was put up for auction on 22 March 2006. No bids at the starting price of 128 million RMB were received, so the carrier was withdrawn from sale. On 31 May 2006, the Soviet aircraft carrier was finally auctioned off in Shenzhen for 128 million RMB to CITIC Shenzhen, the current operator. The panorama below shows the Aircraft Carrier at the CITIC Minsk World in Shenzhen, its current location. The park is open to the public." - Wiki









Novorossiysk

"Novorossiysk was laid down at the former Soviet Black Sea Shipyard in Mykolaiv, Ukraine on 30 September 1975, launched on 24 December 1978, commissioned on 12 September 1982, and decommissioned in June 1993. The third ship in her class she served in the Soviet Pacific Fleet.
In March 1985, the Novorossiysk and escorting battle group departed the Sea of Japan, sailed to the south of Okinawa and then west across the Pacific. The US Navy Battle Frigate USS Kirk FF 1087 (the greyhound of the fleet) was the tattle tale on this cruise, with the finest as semblance of OPERATION SPECIALIST ever gathered! After approximately eight days, the ships turned and headed northwest toward the Kuril Islands, simulating an enemy carrier strike against the Soviet Union. As the Novorossiysk approached the islands, about 700 miles east of Japan, Soviet Bear bombers flew reconnaissance missions near the battle group and helped vector some 20 Backfire bombers to their targets, practising the Soviet strategy of bomber launched anti-ship missile warfare. A U.S. Navy description of the Novorossisysk exercise notes that "The force was hit by simulated air strikes and probably by submarines firing torpedoes and cruise missiles from 1,120 km east of Japan, on 14 April. They came at it with submarines and aircraft--everything they had."
In 1995 the Novorossiysk hulk, which had suffered a serious engine room fire, was sold for scrapping, and was broken up in 1997 at Pohang, South Korea." - Wiki











-----


References:

Web:
http://www.navweaps.com/
http://russian-ships.info/eng/warships/project_1143.htm (a decent DB for Soviet/Russian warships)
http://army.lv/ru/Fotografii/Tehnika-i-vooruzheniya/Voenno-Morskoy-Flot/Avianesushchie-kreysera/Tyazhelie-avianesushchie-kreysera-proekta-1143-Krechet-tipa-Kiev/2588
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-9K33-Osa.html
http://www.tinlib.ru/tehnicheskie_nauki/udarnye_korabli_chast_2_malye_raketnye_korabli_i_katera/p22.php (Russian site with detailed info on Soviet/Russian carrier air assets, naval gun, SAM, and ASM systems)
http://www.navsource.narod.ru/photos/02/161/index.html (more and MORE walkarounds! )

Print
Berezhnoy, S. S., 1995. "Tyazhyoliye avianesuschiye kreysera tipa «Kiev»", Morskaya Kollektsiya: Sovetsky VMF 1945-1995 (Russian), vol. 1, no. 1, pp 8-9.


---------------------





DWB

[Gaston]

I visited the Minsk in Shenzhen in 2008... what an impressive ship ! even if it is in quite bad condition...

[wb21]

Armament

76.2mm/59 AK-726:









From http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_3-60_ak726.htm

Gun data

Gun Weight	1,810 lb. (821 kg)
Gun Length oa	176.54 in (4.484 m)
Grooves	24
Chamber Volume	225.8 in3 (37 dm3)
Rate Of Fire	45 rounds per minute

Ammo data:

Type	fixed
Weight of Complete Round	AA (ZS-63) - 27.34 lbs. (12.4 kg) FRAG (OF-62) - 27.34 lbs. (12.4 kg)
Projectile Types and Weights	AA (ZS-63) - 13.0 lbs. (5.9 kg) FRAG (OF-62) - 13.0 lbs. (5.9 kg)
Bursting Charge	AA (ZS-63) - 1.06 lbs. (0.48 kg) FRAG (OF-62) - 0.88 lbs. (0.4 kg)
Projectile Length	AA (ZS-63) - 13.98 in (355 cm) FRAG (OF-62) - 13.98 in (35.5 cm)
Propellant Container Type and Weight	Cartridge - 14.33 lb. (6.5 kg)
Propellant Charge	6.72 lb. (3.05 kg)
Muzzle Velocity	3,215 fps (980 mps)
Approximate Barrel Life	3,000 rounds for barrel 5,000 rounds for automatic mechanism

Range (using 27.34 lbs. (12.4 kg) AA (ZS-63) Shell)

Max. Ballistic Range	17,169 yards (15,700 m)
Max. Ceiling	12,030 yards (11,000 m)
Lethal Radius Against Aircraft	26 feet (8 m)

Turret data

Designation	Twin Mount AK-726
Weight	25.24 tons (25.642 mt)
Elevation	-5 / +85 degrees by hand -2 / +84 degrees with hydraulics
Rate of Elevation	1.2 degrees per second by hand 30 degrees per second with hydraulics
Train	-164 / +164
Rate of Train	1 degrees per second by hand 35 degrees per second with hydraulics
Gun Recoil	17.64 - 21.06 in (44.8 - 53.5 cm)

--------

30mm AK-630









From http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_30mm-54_ak-630.htm

Gun data

Gun Weight	AO-18 (for AK-630):  under 452 lbs. (under 205 kg)
Gun Length oa	64.13 in (1.629 m)
Bore Length	63.78 in (1.620 m)
Rifling Length	57.48 in (1.46 m)
Grooves	16
Rate Of Fire	AK-630:  4,000 - 5,000 rounds per minute

Ammo data:

Type	fixed
Weight of Complete Round	1.834 - 1.839 lbs. (0.832 - 0.834 kg)
Projectile Types and Weights	HE-FRAG (OF-84) - 0.86 lbs. (0.39 kg) FRAG tracer (OP-84) - 0.86 lbs. (0.39 kg)
Bursting Charge	HE-FRAG (OF-84) - 0.107 lbs. (0.0485 kg) FRAG tracer (OP-84) - 0.026 lbs. (0.0117 kg)
Projectile Length	up to 11.54 in (293 mm)
Muzzle Velocity	2,953 fps (900 mps)
Approximate Barrel Life	AK-630:  8,000 rounds (automation resource)
Ammunition stowage per gun	AK-630:  2,000 rounds

Range (1.2 lbs. (0.54 kg) HE/Frag Shell)

Max. Ballistic Range	8,860 yards (8,100 m)
Self Liquidation range	5,470 yards (5,000 m)
Effective Targeted range	4,375 yards (4,000 m)

Turret data

Designation	AK-630
Weight	AK-630 (empty):  4,079 lbs. (1,850 kg) AK-630 (with ammo):  4,226 lbs (1,918 kg) AK-630 (with control systems):  20,093 lbs. (9,114 kg)
Elevation	AK-630:  -12 / +88 degrees
Rate of Elevation	50 degrees per second
Train	-180 / +180 degrees
Rate of Train	70 degrees per second
Gun Recoil	AK-630:  0.51 in (13 mm)

--------

P-500 Bazalt/SS-N-12 Sandbox ASM



















From http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-Cruise-Missiles.html#mozTocId39941

Seeker type	inertial + active radar
Launcher Type	SM-248
Fire Control System	Legenda RORSAT, Argon
Length	11.7 m
Wing span	2.6
Fuselage diameter	1.544m
Height	1.5m
Launch weight	~6,000/4,800 kg
Weapon weight, second stage	2330 kg
Warhead type	Shaped charge or nuclear (350 kt)
Warhead mass	500-1000 kg
Engine	TRD 17-300
Booster type	4L44 solid rocket
Speed	Mach 2-2.5
Range	550 km
Cruise altitude	100/4000/7000m, 100m nearing target

--------

M-11 Shtorm/SA-N-3 Goblet SAM











B-187 launcher




From http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-24.html

Length	6.2m
Diameter	600mm
Wingspan	1.4m
Weight	1844kg
Warhead weight	120kg HE-FRAG
Range	55.5km
Engagment altitude	100-25000m
Max speed	1200m/s (mach 2.5-3.0)
Max target speed	2880 km/h

[Phoenix9491]

WOW! +1 on this one!

[Blazing]

I made a russian cv to stand in for the kiev here  https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=39133.0. I am thinking of reworking it to make it move like the Keiv but time is one thing, and the other is I suck at modelling. Plus we don't have Ship to Ship / Ship to ground missile.

[Phoenix9491]

Your model looks pretty good blazing, and while theres no ship to ship, a tweak of the V-1 and model change perhaps would work for that?

[Blazing]

 more like the code to make it funcation is whats needed. Having the missile on the ship for visual effects can be done. but to fire from the ship like the Air - Air missile is java coding.

[foxhound]

+1 hoping these will sail at il-2's deep waters

[Windman]

how about using the AS-1 missile and remodel it

it may work, if it can target ships from the air maybe by ship
who knows endless possibility 

[BravoFxTrt]

Wow, Very Cool Photos

[Blazing]

I was thinking more take the tiny tim and then set the weapon just like tropdeo firing only not in the water at the launch altitude.

[SAS~Malone]

for ship-to-ship, that sounds pretty good, even if it is mostly visual.
ship-to-air, a bit more tricky, but still doable, i think