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[razor1uk]

 With the jets, certainly the faster and heavier F4 and the Mig19, come about/around to line up your approach to the runway when the runway is almost off the edge of the screen/view distance, to give you a 'smoother' chance of getting it aligned and engines and flaps set, use airbrakes every now and again to lower speeds, and keep them open whence your about to touch down on the runway, with some backwards stick pressure.

 I myself have more landing crashes with the 19; I'm still attempting to get used to its low speed/landing behaviour - itself seem to need to come in very very fast, than I do with the F4; its ingame carrier landing gear can make a plowed field seem like nothing; just try not to 3 point them or the nose gear will dig in and fly off - you might be letting the nose 'smack down' to quick/hard - apologies to second guess you.

[Fresco23]

pretty sure i have the latest phantom update but ill double check! i keep a close eye out for updates on it and mig 19 but i may have missed one. Thanks vega!

dont appologize razor! i welcome advice from anyone. i am definitely no expert and not afraid to admit it!
thanks
fresco

ps: i also find the mig 19 difficult to land, but i can manage it most of the time, for me the trick with that one was learning when to deply flaps. the landing flaps on the mig work very well, maybe too well? ...and i found myself simply plowing into the dirt several times when i dropped flaps too early, you can almost land it in "combat flaps"... ALMOST!

[dinosaurJR]

Razor is right; the Phantom is stable as hell on approach if you set things up far enough in advance. It also has super strong main gear. I must admit, though - I have had the nose gear fail on me before. Hell, even during take off, if you do not rotate quickly enough it rips off. That is a hairy situation to find yourself in, let me tell you... I actually find carrier landings easier in the Lead Sled than with the Cougar trainer... I always over cook the landing speed and rip off the tail... With the phantom I have a tendency to do a couple of bolters then rip off the RHS tailplane on the island...

I don't have any MiG-19 experience, short of a quick test flight once I installed it, but I guess the lighter gear and slow speed handling characteristics would make it a tough one to land.

The secret is pretty much as Razor says, though for any jet - just set her up on the glide path from way away out and try to control the speed of descent.

I love the implementation of jets into IL-2. It really gives you a completely different experience. Not just landing them, either - combat completely changes and you have to adapt to suit. I have gone through phases where I only flew the jets and was getting quite good at pancaking without breaking them - then I stopped and played around with 1916. After a while you can't fly jets worth a crap again as you have adjusted in your head to the slower speed and handling of the biplanes...

God I love this game

[mojojojo]

i find that razor's comment is about right, if you get the phantom lined up, it is rock-steady unless you try any last minute adjustments. make sure you are lined up.

[Fresco23]

....implementation of jets into IL-2. It really gives you a completely different experience. Not just landing them, either - combat completely changes and you have to adapt to suit. I have gone through phases where I only flew the jets and was getting quite good at pancaking without breaking them - then I stopped and played around with 1916. After a while you can't fly jets worth a crap again as you have adjusted in your head to the slower speed and handling of the biplanes...

God I love this game

you sound like me here as i was explaining the jets to a local fellow IL-2 player who hasnt flown with us in some time and i was tryin to explain that.... well, its not the same kind of combat! The speeds alone dynamically change combat situations and thinking! not to mention the newly found possibility that instead of shooting you... your enemy might deside instead to stuff a missile up your tailpipe! you have to think differently now!
..if you cant tell.... I too love this game very much!

 p.s.: random side note... took a Yak-3 out last night against a fellow player in his 109! It was a refreshing change back to basics for me. All speed/energy game and smarts... it was an incredibly matched dogfight all altitudes from 2 km down to the deck for about 10 minutes... such fun.

he won btw...

fresco

[Wulfy]

can some one please help me? I have installed new planes such as the MiG-19 and F-100 and stuff, i don't know why this is failing. I put the file in my DBW and place the air.ini entry in but it crashed the game at 70%!

[4S_Vega]

for Phantom you need the F-8 too in game

[Wulfy]

you mean the crusader, from mario71?

[BravoFxTrt]

Yes Boeing

[Wulfy]

Ohh... sorry about that. sometimes i feel like an idiot. 

[dinosaurJR]

Boeing, you're not the only one; I recently patched up to DBW 1.71 and then installed a whole raft of new jets, testing one after another to see if my installation held its integrity.... It took me the best part of an evening to figure out why the latest F-4 version wouldn't work. I eventually read the answer here too.

So no - you're not an idiot, matey. Or at least if you are; I am too...

[sphantom]

You should see some of the screw ups bravo has done and me too