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[bomberkiller]

Thank you very much for this wonderful F-4 Phantom upgrade!

Regards, Gerhard

[warwagon41]

A couple years ago I have never heard of IL2 and had no idea that you could mod a game.
Now I dont think I could go back to using a stock IL2 install , not without all the hard work other people had done to make it so much better....at no charge.
I have tons of mods crammed into my install , planes , effects, sounds and maps.......and Im a complete idiot when it comes to computers.
It was not easy........ya I screw up , alot , but Im learning.
I still have trouble with things , but I try to seek out information that is usually quite well posted on all the sites that I find the mods.
I have never been turned away when I have asked for help on any of the mod sites , after I have tried on my own.
These guys do all the hard work , for FREE , and spend countless hours making things that a casual user such as myself could never dream of.
The least we can do is put a  alittle effort into research on how to use them.

They dont have have to share them with anyone !
None of this is owed to us .... its  a gift.



Sorry .... just my 2 cents.

By the way ,Love the Phantom , Thank you

[US_GRANT]

Well for what it's worth, I believe a readme included within the MOD with the .ini entries for the mod in question should be included. It has been known to happen that a mod gets "lost" in website upgrades, etc. and if the instructions or .ini entries are only in the post.... Well you can see where that could cause some problems later if a person has a hard drive unexpetently meltdown and they lose most if not all of their stuff. Yeah, they have the mod saved on a seperate drive, but the instructions are on a website that no longer exists....

[redfox]

Well for what it's worth, I believe a readme included within the MOD with the .ini entries for the mod in question should be included. It has been known to happen that a mod gets "lost" in website upgrades, etc. and if the instructions or .ini entries are only in the post.... Well you can see where that could cause some problems later if a person has a hard drive unexpetently meltdown and they lose most if not all of their stuff. Yeah, they have the mod saved on a seperate drive, but the instructions are on a website that no longer exists....

No problem. If the mod does not include a readme then copy the info that you want from the post and paste it into a txt file in the mod folder. I do this often when the post includes interesting info about the mod...

Cheers - Redfox

[dietz]

A very funny read for all us virtual F-4 Drivers ( I wonder if the FM includes these...er..subtilties?)
F-22 Pilot flies F-4:

F22 pilot for Virginia ANG had honor of flying the Phantom down at Eglin....

I flew your jet a couple days ago. I had a little trouble getting the
engines started, so I climbed out and shoveled some more coal in the back;
after that she fired right up. Ground ops were uneventful, although I
couldn't figure out why the cockpit smelled like body odor, Jack Daniels and
cigars and that was BEFORE I got in it! By the way, what's with the no slip
crap on top of the intakes, it's like you have permanent icing conditions
due to that spray on rhino truck bed liner on top of the aircraft. It's no
wonder you needed so much coal (I mean thrust) to get airborne.

Take off scared the sh*t out of me. I lit the burners at brick one and 2
miles and 45 minutes later we were ready to rotate. After barely clearing
the tree tops, the gear came up and I climbed away at a VERY impressive 2
degrees nose high. In case you don't remember, Trim is your friend in the
F-4 (pretty sure it's also a good friend on the ground too). Once I got her
up to speed and a moderate altitude, we were ready for the G-Ex. Two G-turns
later and I'm sinking like a rock the F-4's energy seems to bleed like
Holyfield's ear in the Tyson fight! After the G-Ex it was time to do a
little Advanced Handling Characteristics (AHC) and by 'advanced handling' I
mean the same crap the Wright Brothers were doing back in 1903, just trying
to keep it airborne.

The jet flies much like my old man's station wagon used to drive. You turn
the wheel (push the stick) a few inches and nothing happens, then all of a
sudden the steering kicks in, inertia takes over, and all HELL breaks loose!
You're pretty much along for the ride at that point and only gravity has a
real say in your lift vector placement. 'Checking 6' was really quite easy
because you CAN'T! Scratch that off the list of Sh*t I need to do to keep
myself alive in combat today. Breathing, however, was surprisingly easy in
the F-4 when compared to that of the F-22 (thank you Lockheed) LOX works,
who knew!

I think I may have burned my legs a bit from the steam pouring out from
behind the gauges. Where are my 6 mini-flat screen TVs, I'm lost without my
HD jet displays (editors note: actually, I'm an analog guy stuck in a
digital world too. I really do like the steam driven gauges). After the AHC,
I decided to take her up high and do a supersonic MACH run, and by high I
mean 'where never lark nor even eagle flew'; but not much higher, a foot or
two maybe. I mean, we weren't up there high-fiving Jesus like we do in the
Raptor, but it was respectable. It only took me the width of the Gulf of
Mexico to get the thing turned around while above the Mach. After the Mach
run we dropped to the deck and did 600 kts at 500'; a ratllin' and shakin'
we will go. I though all the rivets were going to pop out. Reference
previous station wagon analogy! Very quickly we were out of gas and headed
home.

As I brought the jet up initial, I couldn't help but think that the boys who
took this thing into combat had to have some pretty big brass you know
whats!

My first F-4 landing was a little rough; sub-standard really by Air Force
measure but apparently 'best seen to date' according to the Navy guys. Did
you know that there's no such thing as an aerobrake in the F-4? As soon as
the main gear touches down, the nose comes slamming down to the runway with
all the force of a meteor hitting the earth.I guess the F-4 aerobrake
technique is to dissipate energy via denting the runway.

Despite an apparently 'decent' landing, stopping was a whole different
problem. I reached down and pulled the handle to deploy the drogue chute, at
which point a large solid mass of canvas, 550 cord, metal weights and cables
fell out and began bouncing down the runway; chasing me like a lost puppy
and FODing out the whole runway. Perfect. I mashed down on the breaks and
I'm pretty sure at this point the jet just started laughing at me. Why
didn't you warn me that I needed a shuttle landing strip to get this damn
thing stopped?

All kidding aside, VERY COOL jet! Must have been a kick to fly back when you
were in Vietnam! Just kidding!

[coenoo1]

A very funny read for all us virtual F-4 Drivers ( I wonder if the FM includes these...er..subtilties?)
F-22 Pilot flies F-4:

F22 pilot for Virginia ANG had honor of flying the Phantom down at Eglin....

I flew your jet a couple days ago. I had a little trouble getting the
engines started, so I climbed out and shoveled some more coal in the back;
after that she fired right up. Ground ops were uneventful, although I
couldn't figure out why the cockpit smelled like body odor, Jack Daniels and
cigars and that was BEFORE I got in it! By the way, what's with the no slip
crap on top of the intakes, it's like you have permanent icing conditions
due to that spray on rhino truck bed liner on top of the aircraft. It's no
wonder you needed so much coal (I mean thrust) to get airborne.

Take off scared the sh*t out of me. I lit the burners at brick one and 2
miles and 45 minutes later we were ready to rotate. After barely clearing
the tree tops, the gear came up and I climbed away at a VERY impressive 2
degrees nose high. In case you don't remember, Trim is your friend in the
F-4 (pretty sure it's also a good friend on the ground too). Once I got her
up to speed and a moderate altitude, we were ready for the G-Ex. Two G-turns
later and I'm sinking like a rock the F-4's energy seems to bleed like
Holyfield's ear in the Tyson fight! After the G-Ex it was time to do a
little Advanced Handling Characteristics (AHC) and by 'advanced handling' I
mean the same crap the Wright Brothers were doing back in 1903, just trying
to keep it airborne.

The jet flies much like my old man's station wagon used to drive. You turn
the wheel (push the stick) a few inches and nothing happens, then all of a
sudden the steering kicks in, inertia takes over, and all HELL breaks loose!
You're pretty much along for the ride at that point and only gravity has a
real say in your lift vector placement. 'Checking 6' was really quite easy
because you CAN'T! Scratch that off the list of Sh*t I need to do to keep
myself alive in combat today. Breathing, however, was surprisingly easy in
the F-4 when compared to that of the F-22 (thank you Lockheed) LOX works,
who knew!

I think I may have burned my legs a bit from the steam pouring out from
behind the gauges. Where are my 6 mini-flat screen TVs, I'm lost without my
HD jet displays (editors note: actually, I'm an analog guy stuck in a
digital world too. I really do like the steam driven gauges). After the AHC,
I decided to take her up high and do a supersonic MACH run, and by high I
mean 'where never lark nor even eagle flew'; but not much higher, a foot or
two maybe. I mean, we weren't up there high-fiving Jesus like we do in the
Raptor, but it was respectable. It only took me the width of the Gulf of
Mexico to get the thing turned around while above the Mach. After the Mach
run we dropped to the deck and did 600 kts at 500'; a ratllin' and shakin'
we will go. I though all the rivets were going to pop out. Reference
previous station wagon analogy! Very quickly we were out of gas and headed
home.

As I brought the jet up initial, I couldn't help but think that the boys who
took this thing into combat had to have some pretty big brass you know
whats!

My first F-4 landing was a little rough; sub-standard really by Air Force
measure but apparently 'best seen to date' according to the Navy guys. Did
you know that there's no such thing as an aerobrake in the F-4? As soon as
the main gear touches down, the nose comes slamming down to the runway with
all the force of a meteor hitting the earth.I guess the F-4 aerobrake
technique is to dissipate energy via denting the runway.

Despite an apparently 'decent' landing, stopping was a whole different
problem. I reached down and pulled the handle to deploy the drogue chute, at
which point a large solid mass of canvas, 550 cord, metal weights and cables
fell out and began bouncing down the runway; chasing me like a lost puppy
and FODing out the whole runway. Perfect. I mashed down on the breaks and
I'm pretty sure at this point the jet just started laughing at me. Why
didn't you warn me that I needed a shuttle landing strip to get this damn
thing stopped?

All kidding aside, VERY COOL jet! Must have been a kick to fly back when you
were in Vietnam! Just kidding!

it is a funny story but:

Did you know that there's no such thing as an aerobrake in the F-4? As soon as
the main gear touches down, the nose comes slamming down to the runway with
all the force of a meteor hitting the earth.I guess the F-4 aerobrake
technique is to dissipate energy via denting the runway.

There is isn't it? Or is an aerobrake something different from an airbrake?

[mojojojo]

A couple years ago I have never heard of IL2 and had no idea that you could mod a game.
Now I dont think I could go back to using a stock IL2 install , not without all the hard work other people had done to make it so much better....at no charge.
I have tons of mods crammed into my install , planes , effects, sounds and maps.......and Im a complete idiot when it comes to computers.
It was not easy........ya I screw up , alot , but Im learning.
I still have trouble with things , but I try to seek out information that is usually quite well posted on all the sites that I find the mods.
I have never been turned away when I have asked for help on any of the mod sites , after I have tried on my own.
These guys do all the hard work , for FREE , and come up with things that a casual user such as myself could never dream of.
The least we can do is put a  alittle effort into research on how to use them.

They dont have have to share them with anyone !
None of this is owed to us .... its  a gift.

Sorry .... just my 2 cents.

By the way ,Love the Phantom , Thank you

dont be sorry.  what u said is very true. modding make a game much better, and it does it for free. so all of u modders who may be reading this, give urself a pat on the back.

[jente]

this mods is what makes me love this site so damn much!
thanks for all the work, i really appreciate it!

[US_GRANT]

Well I know I can confirm the part about aerobraking in the F-4. Not much there and YES, when it hits the runway, it HITS the runway, which is why it's buit so tough. Proof that if you put in a big enough engine (in this case 2) you can make a brick fly.

[SAS~Tom2]

There is isn't it? Or is an aerobrake something different from an airbrake?

It is a technique to slow down the jet and use it as drag body to slow down before lowering the nose.
Well, that's what I remember..
Cheers

Tom

Freakin A anecdote!

[coenoo1]

There is isn't it? Or is an aerobrake something different from an airbrake?

It is a technique to slow down the jet and use it as drag body to slow down before lowering the nose.
Well, that's what I remember..
Cheers

Tom

Freakin A anecdote!

Ah thank you, wikipedia told me it was something with satelites or something. Not really my interest.

[sputnikshock]

Ah thank you, wikipedia told me it was something with satelites or something. Not really my interest.

Aerobraking (in spaceflight) is a non-propulsive maneuver, usually performed in order to lower a spacecraft's apoapsis (the point on its orbit which is farthest from the body it is orbiting). The spacecraft is oriented in a way that its maximum aerodynamic cross-section is facing in the direction of its velocity vector. Its flight path then needs to intersect the upper atmosphere of a celestial body, to a degree that the spacecraft is being slowed down by aerodynamic friction, while at the same time the heat developing during this procedure remains within tolerable limits. Since aerobraking is usually done by spacecraft which do not have TPS (thermal protection systems/heatshields), the amount of deceleration is little, and the procedure needs to be repeated for a number of revolutions until the desired (usually nearly circular) orbit is reached. The benefit however is that while it takes a long time, it also uses zero fuel (except for the tiny amounts needed for trajectory corrections and spacecraft orientation changes). Aerocapture on the other hand can be done if TPS is available, and is basically the same procedure as aerobraking, but achieved in just one go. You dive deeper into the atmosphere, loose a lot of speed, gain alot of heat, and do it in a way that you don't slow down enough for re-entry, but rather leave the atmosphere again on a dramatically altered orbit.

Sorry for the OT, but as my username suggests, I had to answer this.