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Author Topic: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.31 for Jetwar1.2 (17/10/2012)  (Read 285156 times)

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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #672 on: May 27, 2012, 05:29:54 AM »

Test done!
Really I've gone wrong: probably I've tested only with 00000_000_NoOpenCanopyAI placed INTO F-4's mod folder, not beside it, both under #DBW.
The really strange thing is, as I said, that the mod works well also with the 00000_000_NoOpenCanopyAI's files MERGED with the similar files into the root directory of the mod (this one correctly placed under #DBW directory)!!  :o  :-\
However is a great mod and I'm looking forward to have time to play it.

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it doesnt matter which folder the contents of no_open_canopy_AI are in. they just have to appear above the F-4 folder in alphabetical order, so the game reads them first, but if its working for you that way, keep it that way.
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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #673 on: May 28, 2012, 05:10:22 AM »

Wrong, at low altitude it can turn inside a MiG-21

...Which is of course well known for its maneuvrability...  ::)
I kid you not, during operation bolo, they tried to keep the MiGs low because at higher altitude the MiG could out turn the phantom
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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #674 on: May 28, 2012, 08:10:15 AM »

Wrong, at low altitude it can turn inside a MiG-21

...Which is of course well known for its maneuvrability...  ::)
I kid you not, during operation bolo, they tried to keep the MiGs low because at higher altitude the MiG could out turn the phantom

but why then only MiG-19 and 17 were allowed to fly at low altitude? ;)
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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #675 on: May 28, 2012, 08:17:10 AM »

The Mig-21 was mainly used for hit and run missions, USAAF tryed many tricks to make them scramble and fight. It was only a handful times this was successful. I guess the Mig 21 was such a bigg asset s and they would not risk them in dogfights
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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #676 on: May 28, 2012, 08:52:56 AM »

Wrong, at low altitude it can turn inside a MiG-21

...Which is of course well known for its maneuvrability...  ::)
I kid you not, during operation bolo, they tried to keep the MiGs low because at higher altitude the MiG could out turn the phantom

but why then only MiG-19 and 17 were allowed to fly at low altitude? ;)

It was not forbidden for MiG-21 to fly at low altitude, it was just better. The MiG-21 unfolded it's whole potential at high altitudes, where MiG-17's and MiG-19s began to lack and stall. F-4s where very vulnerable at low altitudes, so ideal for the vintage MiG-17 and transsonic MiG-19. The Aircraft roles where simply devided due to effectivity.
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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #677 on: May 28, 2012, 09:00:03 AM »

yep, that is what I meant  :)

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also we must keep in mind about what versions of MiG-21 and F-4 we are talking about.
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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #678 on: May 28, 2012, 09:49:52 AM »

F-4Ds Es and Js as far as I know and whichever MiG-21 the NVA used during the 1968-1972 time frame
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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #679 on: May 28, 2012, 10:18:18 AM »

I think MF model was a very big surprise for them  :D
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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #680 on: May 28, 2012, 10:36:28 AM »

I think MF model was a very big surprise for them  :D

yes, Mf was a general improvement of Mig-21

Internal cannon, better avionics and better climb performances and acceleration

The Phantoms (expecially E version) remains much better as 360° plane but in a close combat at low and medium alt a good pilot can give bad surprises to F-4s pilots

Obviously in the hands of Israeli pilots, who knew how to exploit the best features of the Phantom, the F-4E was too much for the Mf

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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #681 on: May 28, 2012, 12:01:41 PM »

I think MF model was a very big surprise for them  :D

yes, Mf was a general improvement of Mig-21

Internal cannon, better avionics and better climb performances and acceleration

The Phantoms (expecially E version) remains much better as 360° plane but in a close combat at low and medium alt a good pilot can give bad surprises to F-4s pilots

Obviously in the hands of Israeli pilots, who knew how to exploit the best features of the Phantom, the F-4E was too much for the Mf


'cause ireali pilots are ninjas!
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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #682 on: May 28, 2012, 01:48:45 PM »

Israeli pilots were trained by the USAF.
They are of equal caliber IMO
The reason the air war over Vietnam went so pear shaped up until 1972 (where the USAF annihilated the NVAF) was because of the way Lyndon Baines Johnson ran the war. That and the tactics used during the early part of the war. And the lessons learned are clear to see. 
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Re: F-4 Phantom II's released v1.2 for Jetwar1.2 (14/03/2012)
« Reply #683 on: May 28, 2012, 02:50:25 PM »

yes. the USAF relied relied on long-range missiles, but according to the rules of engagement, hostiles had to be visually confirmed before firing.
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