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[juanmalapuente]

The shake is an AI bug, when you start a mission in mid air, it disappears by itself in a few fractiosn of seconds and does not reappear. It does not disturb anything else but it's a strange thing as this aircraft is very smooth to fly on. The AI has stranges behavoiurs sometimes - for instance after attacking a  bridge at low level it dives almost to the ground and then resources. It may be related to the "type sturmovik" implement but if one uses only the "type bomber" the AI is then very boring....

Sorry, but I'm experiencing the shaking in both models. It stops as soon as I press autopilot and returns again with autopilot off.
It's a pity I love this plane but I only can fly it normally for a minute or so in every mission. 

[David Prosser]

Hi Juan. When I was testing stuff for the Santander campaign, I had this problem when the intercepting Fiat CR32s appeared.  I added a payload, and the problem disappeared. As it was a recconnisance mission, they started out with default armament.

cheers

David

[Dreamk]

Sorry! I'm a little busy with RL these days, Iforgot to upload the fix that Birdman sent me for this bug (which is FM related) and a few others. Here it is:
https://www.mediafire.com/?0xw0085l82y5a5a
All credits to Birdman

[David Prosser]

Hi, Dreamk. Thanks for the fix. Now it's back to being an aeroplane, not a flying vibrator.

cheers

David

[juanmalapuente]

Thank you both, David, for the advice, wich I used and worked and Dreamk for the fix. I know you're really busy, so double thanks. 

[David Prosser]

Thank you both, David, for the advice, wich I used and worked and Dreamk for the fix. I know you're really busy, so double thanks. 

Hi Juan. I thought I'd seen the tip somewhere in these forums. I came across the problem in the Santander campaign.

Speaking of the SCW, there are two distinct groups of players here. There are the Spaniards, who had relatives involved. And everyone else. The Spaniards may have had family members, or friends on both
 sides. You wake up in Madrid on July 18th, and you're a Republican. If you woke up in the Canaries on July 18th, you'd be a Nationalist. Too bad if your sentiments were for the other side. You'd either have to stay put, and keep a low profile, or escape. You wake up near Malaga in a fighter squadron; and your best friend 100kms away is in a two seater squadron. Every time that squadron has planes in your sector, there's a chance you could kill him, or vice versa. Bearing this in mind, their approach to the subject is likely to be more visceral.

As for the other players, there are varying degrees of interest. However it's not at the same visceral level. WWII is different. Many of the players would have had relatives involved. So, there is a more visceral connection. My uncle Alan was killed in Italy, three weeks before the war ended. My cousin Lyell was killed in a plane crash while training in England in 1943. He was flying along. The engine stopped. He either forgot to switch tanks, or it didn't work. So, he bailed out. Unfortunately, the chute fouled the plane, and he was killed. Dad was in North Africa, and Italy. He liked Italy. My uncle Cyril serviced Corsairs in the Pacific. Uncle Doug was in the Pacific. So for these players The WW II connection is visceral. By comparison, connection to other wars is more intellectual. It depends whether or not friends and family were involved.

cheers

David

[agracier]

 So for these players The WW II connection is visceral. By comparison, connection to other wars is more intellectual. It depends whether or not friends and family were involved.

I bet things are somewhat more complicated than this ... I´ve no relatives or family connections to Spain at all and yet the era and the aircraft and the whole feel of the times seems so real and near and understandable somehow.

WWII however, while my father and mother both experienced it firsthand as occupied and as participant, seems less visceral for me. Which is also something that has often puzzled me, Americans or others of whatever nationality who have a thing for many of the uber-German planes or secret weapons/4th Reich stuff ... that shouldn´t be the expected way. Yet many players do feel an affinity ...

Maybe the attraction of eras and planes has a lot to do with Hollywood and movies or plain personal interest ... who knows.

[David Prosser]

Ah, yes, agracier. One can't rule out popular culture, and a certain fascination on the part of some with the losers. My favorite German tank is any of the Pz IIIs, and their early war stuff in general. For the Russians, the BT. For the US/UK, the Stuart, Mk13, Valentine, and Lee/Grant. Planewise, it's the Spitfire, Bf109, and any SCW planes.

cheers

David Prosser

[juanmalapuente]

We all have a huge cultural load, developed trough movies, books, comics, scale models, toys...
There's also the aesthetic aspect. German machines have distinctive lines and style which has captived eyes through decades  in spite of ideologies. There's also some mysticism...
About the periods, there're many Spaniards more interested in WWII than in SCW. Some of them, have still too strong feelings about SCW to consider it interesting or fun for a game.
For Spanish people, It really was as you say, David: they were mostly caught in one of the sides. For the special case of pilots, I'm reading many memories books of pilots of both sides and they all agree:
Whenever a pilot of the other side was captured, it was taken in custody by the enemy air forces, that protected him and provided all the necessary, offering him to be interchanged. This was possible because all the professional pilots had been colleagues before war, so they knew or even were friends of each other.
For instance, Garcia Morato asked Nationalist pilots to protect any Republican pilot bailing out, since the Republicans had been doing so before.
There was some sense of solidarity and gentlemen fair play between pilots.
On the battle ground, things were very different, and very strong feelings still arise nowadays for many people.
About non Spaniards feeling interested in that period, I understand them, because It's the Golden age of Aviation, look at the aircraft that we are getting: most of them have historical records or amazing history.
Besides, many foreigners can feel involved with SCW the same way that Spaniards do. This was, probably, the most ideological war of 20th century. It still awakes passionate feelings for one side or the other.
For many, It represents the fight for people's liberty and the struggle against the oppressive forces of capital and hierarchy, which is becoming kind of a current situation.
I visit Belchite very often and there are always foreigners visiting too. When Spanish people ask me why those German, Polish, Czech, French, American, Russian people come here, I usually answer them: Well, their parents or grandparents are still buried here too.
About 100,000 Italians, 60,000 Moroccans, 30,000 Germans, 20,000 Portuguese and 600 Irish fought with Franco, more than 10,000 Russians, and about 50,000 people from more than 50 countries volunteered in International Brigades or in the Anarchist and POUM millitias.
Many are still buried in Spain, many are still in the trenches were they died.

[David Prosser]

Hi, Juan. You're right about the cultural load, and mysticisim. It varies from person to person. I guess everyone has a list of their favourite planes, ships and vehicles form the period. I can understand many Spaniards not being to play SCW missions due feelings about the war, and family involvement. I wasn't aware the two airforces were so chivalrous toward each other's downed pilots. I've begun adding that to the Balaeric Breguets campaign. It makes sense though when you think about it. As you say, things are usually different on the ground. As you say, the new planes are very interesting. Some of the battlefields were on very marginal land. Nobody farmed it. So there was little incentive to 'clean' the battle field post war. I guess some of the tourists that visit SCW sites have connections through relatives that fought on one side, or the other.

cheers

David Prossser

[agracier]

I visit Belchite very often and there are always foreigners visiting too. When Spanish people ask me why those German, Polish, Czech, French, American, Russian people come here, I usually answer them: Well, their parents or grandparents are still buried here too.

Belchite looks very unlike most other war memorial sites or remnants, certainly nothing like the many Great War monuments that can be seen in France and Belgium. Belchite looks like the fighting stopped just a few years ago ... a very eerie and captivating place. Though so far I´ve only ever seen 1 group of French speaking visitors. Otherwise most seem to be Spanish-speaking couples, not large groups ...

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/25795536
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/25795533
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/25795526
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/25795516

[juanmalapuente]

About the groups visiting Belchite, it's quite recent. Former Town Council was pretty much against any touristic exploitation of the place. They still have a 2 m tall Falange coat of arms hanging in a house in the main square. They followed Franco's instructions to not rebuild the Old Town, to keep the ruins as a monument to destruction caused by the Reds.
About 9,000 war prisoners were kept working in the construction of the new town, in a concentration camp, 1 km away from the town, called "La Rusia". Now there's a socialist major and some slow restoration efforts have begun, but crisis has brought them to a new halt.
I can tell you that I met people from all around the world visiting the ruins. There are larger groups on weekends, Easter, etc. I've guided myself some groups of Spaniards and foreigners, to visit not only Belchite, but the positions of both sides all around the Comarca. If I’m not wrong, they were 37 groups just this year...and no, this is not my main work. 





You can see they're not Spaniards.









After an hour long visit, you can tell by their faces they're thinking about the nonsense of war. This is a shocking impression that almost everybody feels when visiting Belchite. I just tell them the data, no good, no evil, just the hard, shocking facts.





Republican positions in Sierra Gorda



The seminar, where a strong defence was held by Carlists.









Inside an Nationalist bunker





The Republican artillery shell in San Agustín Church tower.



It’s an impressive place to take pictures.