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Koty

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Re: Me-262B-1 trainer
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2015, 12:06:22 PM »

Who knows? DTs know :D
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Re: Me-262B-1 trainer
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2015, 05:14:20 AM »

Here is the 262 "trainer" mod.

As GJE said, its not a trainer, its just a 262-NF without Antennas.
Maybe someone will put his hands on it and make it a real trainer
with a working backseat CP.

The mod was done by Me-109 aka Reaper 3-1,
(who was not active here since Nov. 2012).
Its for 4.10 and needs DiffFM. For the rest see the readme.
I tried the mod in 4.12.2 MA, is OK.

https://www.mediafire.com/download/54859e7547kjytm/Me-262B-1a_Trainer.7z

!when having the 262NF installed
change the first part of the Trainers air.ini!


Why?:

262 Trainer air.ini
Me-262B-1a        air.ME_262B1A 2                    g01   SUMMER

262 Nightfighters air.ini
Me-262B-1a        air.ME_262A2NJ 2                   g01 SUMMER

to avoid troubles change Trainer air.ini entry to ie
Me-262T             air.ME_262B1A 2                    g01   SUMMER

new skinfolder would be:  Me-262T
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Re: Me-262B-1 trainer
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2015, 07:37:03 AM »

Thank you for digging that one out ... 2012 eh .... almost prehistoric  ;)

If there is the possibility or having a real working trainer then there are a whole raft of other aircraft that would also be good candidates for reworking.

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Re: Me-262B-1 trainer
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2015, 02:40:34 PM »

GJE, don't get me wrong, nor feel flamed by the following.
I can't share that large difference, structural related questioning, simply by the term that the two seaters, with or without antennas where
both the same conversions from Blohm und Voss, Wenzendorf/Hamburg or DLH-Deutsche Lufthansa, Berlin/Staaken.
I can't recall any serious Me 262 related publication, claiming structural differences,
but I've seen bad reproduction fictional 3-way Profiles arousing. The source of them where in cheap publications or artists,
who failed to read before intially redraw sth. that didn't existed in that form.
It is better to say the Two-seaters are conversions from single seaters, which they literally where.
Factory fresh Me262 A series delivered directly to Staaken or Wenzendorf, that proceeded in
these modifications. Before the installation of the nightfighting equipment, these kites were Test-Flown, i.e. by famous Beate Uhse,
her and other Lufthansa Pilots testimonials, as well as footages, documents don't mention the structural changes you speak of.
The access panels, number of fuselage sections modified were the same.
Simply ask CirX about the history of conversion on the south african Ursel, her history matches a preserved Trainer, if in existence, the bolting and riveting,
may vary, due to the disastrous working conditions. Cramped over with filling, tape, harsh structure,
it was everything else than tailors work from the bench, as the initial pre-production development.
But calling instrument equipment related things completely worth to start from scratch, I think is a bit overrated,
when historically it needs just removal of the instruments and a simpler 2nd cockpit, nothing less.
The FuG and Antenna installations are not worth being called structural, we have hundreds of Mods with such tiny 3-D differences.
If the author failed to give Credit, that's a Prob, but if he did, I don't see your Problem yet.

I can prove that I don't speak of a theory but recored/preserved data I share with you here:
A good source to start is Dan O' Connells "Me262 The Production Log"

We take a peak at a B-1a/U1, Werkenummer 110306, the following archival sources where used
aau/abj authors Communications with Karl Rentschler
akt authors correspondence with Eddie Creek
Erprobungsbericht Nr.53
110306 was a conversion by Blohm und Voss, Wenzendorf/Hamburg
interestingly being previously used as a Trainer by III./EJG2 dated to 28. Dec. 1944

The doubleseaters were from allover the various production blogs, not specificly related to a
"trainer" or "nightfighter" Block, as one may suggest first.

But glad this forgotten and partially historic Mod is back here, even if it is not
build from scratch, it may be for joy and fun to others.

Note on further 3-D Pimpin to get a polished Trainer.
Use PA_Jeronimos Updated Me262 Nightfighter Wheels, engine meshes/Blisters etc. take care to load everything before anything else and
get rid of the nightfighterequipment if necessary in hier (so for Crazyflaks flame start up fx and Jeros hier-him files).
If you're completely in love, you can pimp it it up with Greifs new Pit texture, partially meshes where possible.
That should be enough to get a bit beauty out of it.

Do at your own risk:
If you want loadout as the Ursula, do a simple Reverse engineering on the TPF,
I for myself had no use for it, but wanted a historically armed Trainer
(4xCannons + Droptanks recorded in wartime pics and documents),
hence I turned TPF into a fully working Ursula, as it the base of Modding achieved there.
Java Errors, CTDs, doubled loadouts etc. I couldn't trace so far...
The trick lies in the combination and use of a single Classfile from TPF,
35A7C61242163F46 containing the loadouts and slot, I use the Trainer Classfiles for the rest,
Plane Cockpit adjusted to turn TPF into Trainer.

Kind Regards
Tobias
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Re: Me-262B-1 trainer
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2015, 11:26:43 PM »

I think you mis-understand me. There is no real physical difference in the basic structure of the radar equipped version and the trainer version. The 3d side is effectively already done. The work required to make thr trainer lies in the coding side. It is not difficult the add a second virtual cockpit, which can be selected by the player, but this request originally specified a mod where two different pilots could fly the same aircraft at the same time from either seat, if I understood correctly. That is what is not possible ATM.
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Re: Me-262B-1 trainer
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2015, 05:33:51 AM »

Ahh, OK, that explains it and makes sense, now I'm at the querry. :-X
Thanks for the Info. So that seems to be a hard nut to crack, puuhh.
Glad to hear it is still in the works and wishing all participating Modders in this project
best of luck, cross everything... Long live the mighty Silver...
Happy Sunday  :)
Tobias
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