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jpten

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Re: Map of Poland 1944 WIP
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2014, 02:35:04 PM »

Have you represented German defensive positions being set up in 1944?

German attempted to fortify two Polish cities in 1944, Warsaw and Posen.
  The uprising interfered with the construction of bunkers around Warsaw and was not fully completed when it fell to the Red Army.  Posen's siege did not happen till Jan 1945 but would have been in existence in 44.



POSEN- january 1945
The defenders made use of some of the surviving fortifications that had been built during Prussian rule in the 19th century. The Fort Winiary citadel stood on a hill to the north of the city center. Around the perimeter of the city were 18 massively-built forts, spaced at intervals of about 2 kilometers in a ring with a radius of about 5 kilometers,  Each fort was ringed by a ditch ten meters wide and eight metes deep, with walls brevetted with brickwork. Across the ditch was a bridge, leading to one of the upper stories. Among the forts, to the rear, there were one-story brick bunkers. These were clad in concrete almost a full meter thick, and were used as stores. The upper works of the forts were sufficiently strong to provide reliable protection against heavy artillery fire. 
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Re: Map of Poland 1944 WIP
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2014, 03:24:51 PM »

Have you represented German defensive positions being set up in 1944?

German attempted to fortify two Polish cities in 1944, Warsaw and Posen.
  The uprising interfered with the construction of bunkers around Warsaw and was not fully completed when it fell to the Red Army.  Posen's siege did not happen till Jan 1945 but would have been in existence in 44.



POSEN- january 1945
The defenders made use of some of the surviving fortifications that had been built during Prussian rule in the 19th century. The Fort Winiary citadel stood on a hill to the north of the city center. Around the perimeter of the city were 18 massively-built forts, spaced at intervals of about 2 kilometers in a ring with a radius of about 5 kilometers,  Each fort was ringed by a ditch ten meters wide and eight metes deep, with walls brevetted with brickwork. Across the ditch was a bridge, leading to one of the upper stories. Among the forts, to the rear, there were one-story brick bunkers. These were clad in concrete almost a full meter thick, and were used as stores. The upper works of the forts were sufficiently strong to provide reliable protection against heavy artillery fire. 
Thank you very much for your important info. Your detailed description of Posen fortifications seem to be based on a map, isnt it ? In that case, it would be nice of you if you can upload that map here or in PM.
The present WIP map deals with summer 1944 -  June.
As for the January 1945, it will be the next Poland map - winter one. There the destroyal of the whole old Warsaw city will be included, and Posen fortifications would be valuable improvement.

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Perhaps I am successful in location of the fortifications ? Check it, please, on the picture below (fortifications encircled in red).

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Re: Map of Poland 1944 WIP
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2014, 07:23:01 PM »

Yes you have done very well.
Fort VII has many details because it was made into a concentration camp and has been made a memorial.
Fort Winery is the large triangular area right north of city center.

The history of the old pre-WW2 forts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84_Fortress

Maps/pictures I found on internet some time ago while researching something else:


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Re: Map of Poland 1944 WIP
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2014, 07:59:39 PM »

Yes you have done very well.
Fort VII has many details because it was made into a concentration camp and has been made a memorial.
Fort Winery is the large triangular area right north of city center.

The history of the old pre-WW2 forts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84_Fortress

Maps/pictures I found on internet some time ago while researching something else:

DO NOT QUOTE PICS PLEASE!!!


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https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,43076.0.html
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Re: Map of Poland 1944 WIP
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2014, 03:31:25 AM »

Thank you, guys,
the fortification of Posen will be implemented , no doubt.
 Into Poland_1939 map, too, in corrected version some time or a patch.
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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2015, 12:07:03 PM »

And what about so called Autobahn airfields in Upper Silesia?
Here are some pictures of them - WIP.
Any comments will be appreciated.
Some info on the location of really - historically used parts of Autobahn as airfields in 1943-45 would be appreciated, too.
I think that not every straight piece of autobahn was used, since some infrastructure was needed.

Here some takeoffs:



And here landings and parking.

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Re: Map of Poland 1944 WIP
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2015, 08:05:03 AM »

If possible will be cool to have more trees near the highway, after all the airplanes were cammoed among the trees.
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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2015, 09:43:20 AM »

If possible will be cool to have more trees near the highway, after all the airplanes were cammoed among the trees.
This might be done in FMB by mission makers at best, using stationary airplanes. If using AI planes, they must taxi from the Autobahn then turn their noses to Autobahn, what needs more space - collision with trees would result in explosion.

Below are some pictures of take off , landing and taxiing of AI Bf-109G, using the Highway objects kindly made by western0221 (see thread here: https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,44289.0.html  ).

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Re: Map of Poland 1944 WIP
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2015, 10:15:44 AM »

You can make them land in one strip and taxi in the other one - they won't hit trees near the road.
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Re: Map of Poland 1944 WIP
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2015, 11:35:07 AM »

You can make them land in one strip and taxi in the other one - they won't hit trees near the road.
But this solution will block the highway, didnt it ?
Somewhere here was a BW photo , I shall try to find it.
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Re: Map of Poland 1944 WIP
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2015, 07:43:23 AM »

Some pictures showing what was done on Autobahn emergency airfields are here:



The airplanes along the highway on the secondd picture from the left are stationary ones.
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Re: Map of Poland 1944 WIP
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2015, 04:38:56 AM »

I like it Uzin. Looks really cool!
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