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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2015, 07:49:40 PM »

Thank you for your nice feedback, it keeps me going on!  :)
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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2015, 08:21:53 PM »

One example of the Karelia's historical Airfields, I have about 20 textures from the war time main airfields ready done and more is under work. Airfields are made using old aerial photos, airfield maps and a lot of Photoshop... I have now spent 12 textures for those airfields: Mount0-3, Country0-3 and Airfield0-3. There are now 14 custom airfields but I need much more of them. So I must scale airfields as a low resolution textures and then "stretch" (using -2) them as I have done with the biggest towns Viipuri, Kotka and Leningrad centrum...

LLv 34's Home base 1943-1944 was Kymi airfield near Kotka:


Kymi's aerial photo:


Airbase maps from Kymi:
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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2015, 03:06:58 AM »


I am a bit confused, is this the same project https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,43222.0.html or is it another project you are working on?
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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2015, 07:00:57 AM »


I am a bit confused, is this the same project https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,43222.0.html or is it another project you are working on?

No, it is not. One year ago I started to modify and retexture the old FinnsGulf stock map but then I notice that it is almost as big job as create a totally new map!

Problems with the FinnsGulf map are that there ar too much rivers (even the small streams are done as big rivers) and couple of very necessary airfields are not shown in that map: For ex. Immola Airfield (Detachment Kuhlmey's base on summer 1944) and Taipalsaari Airfield (HLeLv 34's base on summer 1944). Also Lappeenranta Airfield's location is 15 kilometers too south because of the map's edge on the north... There are also much more mistakes with the small towns and coastlines, because FinnsGulf map is done using 2000s refererence maps, not those ones from 1940...

So I now use those town textures and other stuff with this new Karelia map and leave the old FinnsGulf alone. I am going to create the new Karelia map as historical as it is possible. I have a huge amount of reference material, aerial photos and old maps from that area. This is a big job to do but it is also my hobby. I have earlier wrote that I have also created and updated a smaller Karelia (400 x 400 km) three times (!) to Aces High II game. So I can say that I am nowadays some kind of expert with that old Battle Field! :)

UUfflakke: I am going to remove that old thread away now and move the pictures and other stuff to this thread! ;)


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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2015, 07:13:40 AM »

I move these Viipuri pictures from that old "Gulf Of Finland Retexturing Project" thread.

This is the old Finnish Viipuri town how it was on 1940. I have removed all the motorways, supermarkets, parking places, new apartment house areas etc. using that old aerial photo and town map from 1940s.






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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2015, 07:45:13 AM »

This is going to be an amazing map. Look forward to flying over it, look forward to building campaigns for it.  ;D
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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2015, 09:31:11 AM »


I am a bit confused, is this the same project https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,43222.0.html or is it another project you are working on?

No, it is not. One year ago I started to modify and retexture the old FinnsGulf stock map but then I notice that it is almost as big job as create a totally new map!

Thanks for clarifying.
Have you visited this website already about Viipuri:
http://www.virtuaaliviipuri.tamk.fi/en

The scale model video of how the city looked like in 1939 is awesome. There is a lot of information in it in case you are not yet finished populating the city.
http://www.virtuaaliviipuri.tamk.fi/en/scalemodelvideo

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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2015, 04:08:54 PM »

I have seen the huge Viipuri scale model in my own eyes in Lappeenranta Museum. It is awesome! And the Virtual Viipuri pages are great too, I found it years ago. It's very helpful when populating Karelia's Viipuri! :)
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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2015, 03:31:38 AM »

Problems with the FinnsGulf map are that there ar too much rivers (even the small streams are done as big rivers) and couple of very necessary airfields are not shown in that map.. There are also much more mistakes ...

This is why I left the legacy FinsGulf map alone and went for your Karelia v.1.1 and now am so looking forward to your new efforts.

I did more work on Kolta this weekend (still on your tweaked first Karelia), too bad if I have to transfer what I have to the new Karelia map. I feel like I maybe should start my own thread but it is still best to have all here (like you removing your post on retexturing FinsGulf). In any case I have no plan of releasing mine when yours is in the wings...
 
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I have about 20 textures from the war time main airfields ready done and more is under work... I have now spent 12 textures for those airfields: Mount0-3, Country0-3 and Airfield0-3. There are now 14 custom airfields but I need much more of them. So I must scale airfields as a low resolution textures and then "stretch" (using -2)

I wonder if having base textures to put on the "lowest" layer of the map with texture object (with alpha channel) on top is not the way to go, something that the OksDPlates do very well.
This is something you do with oils filters applied to plastic models, you add successive thin, semi translucent layers to create depth.

June 1942:


If you apply all the clear stuff using object like OksDPlates you probably can have a convincing rendering of any airfield ... and a bloated static.actors  ;)

November 2015:


Still some work to do but it is so much fun!

As disclaimer I will say that the picture above is not from Kanttori new Karelia map but is Zoran's personal research work (happen to be done using an IL-2 map...)

You can see Sestoretskiy Razliv close to Gorskaya airfield in the background, if feel for you Kanttori with the number of lakes and rivers you had to deal with!

Enjoy your hobby, it's a great one !   ;D
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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2015, 09:38:37 AM »

Zoran395, I'm very pleased if  Ican use your redone Kronstadt with the Karelia map, it is one job less to do... ;) Actually what you have done different from the FinsGulf's Kronstadt?

Have you that old aerial photo from the Kolta airfield with a better resolution, because I should make a new airfield texture from it? And is the "Kolta" a historical name from 1940's meaning the Kronstadt's airfield? I mean that I have not heard it earlier, so it is a new information to me! :)
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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2015, 04:03:35 PM »

And is the "Kolta" a historical name from 1940's meaning the Kronstadt's airfield? I mean that I have not heard it earlier, so it is a new information to me! :)
"Kotlin" airfield is on Kronstadt.  There is also a "Kotly" airfield northeast of Narva.
I do not know of any "Kolta" either.  I thought it might be Kotla by my search came empty with that name.
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Re: Karelia - Finland vs. Russia 1939 - 1944
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2015, 06:14:40 PM »

Ok, I take a look for your Kornstadt! But what map is that Karelia 1.1.? Is it Kapteeni's Karelia or what?
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