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Author Topic: A golden opportunity to put your questions to a veteran – but be quick! Master Pilot SR Chambers (RAF 1937-1958).  (Read 2968 times)

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Morning all.

Stanley R Chambers is my uncle. Still fleet of mind if not of foot.  It is his 99th birthday tomorrow.

I am interviewing him with a view to writing his biography. He flew Spitfires (Mk I and IV PRU, Vc, IXa, IXb, IXc with 25 lbs boost. Post war XVI and Tempest. Also flew Tiger Moth, Harvard, Harvard II, Miles Magister, Master, Martinet, Fa irey Battle, Lysander III, Airspeed Oxford, and Mustang III.

FOR THE IL-2 COMMUNITY: DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO MY OWN?

Yesterday, I interviewed him for over two hours and covered his career from 1937, when he joined as a medical orderly, to mid 1942 when he had converted to fighter pilot, trained up in England and Canada, spent a period with 81 Squadron and then flown missions with 1 PRU across occupied Europe. He is remarkably clear of mind.

Today and tomorrow, I will be with him again for at least two more sessions, and will cover his later wartime and post-war service. This includes a stint with 16 Group APC (Armaments Practice Camp), at RAF Thorney Island and 1406 Meterological Flight at Wick, before he was posted to 165 Squadron.

This unit worked its way south from Scotland to Cornwall and began cross-channel missions in April 1944. June to August they were posted to Lympne in Kent as part of "Operation Diver", the screen against V-1s (he shot down two), then escorted raids into Germany and did ground attack intil January 1945, when he became Station Adjutant for 165 Squadron.

He continued with the RAF until 1958 with stints in Iraq, Germany and the Far East.
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firstly, hats off to your uncle for making it to such a grand old age :D
may i ask what format your interviews are in? are you doing it on video?
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My tip of the hat too to your uncle.

I guess the most obvious question would be which plane sticks out in his mind as an absolute joy to fly?

- which aircraft did he consider dangerous if you didn't treat it right?
- what did he feel after his first "kill"?
- in ground attacks, what did he consider the hardest part (i.e. bombing, strafing, rockets)?

regards,

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So happy for you. The minister of my family church when I grew up had been a pilot of a Fokker G2 in May 1940, but I did not have a clue about what that meant when I was a kid.  He told me some stories for a high school project back in 1975, but I was too young to understand the opportunity I had been granted to spend time with him.  Cherish this!
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firstly, hats off to your uncle for making it to such a grand old age :D
may i ask what format your interviews are in? are you doing it on video?
Hi Malone.  I am recording audio and transcribing to text with scanned imagery. Don't have video possibility.
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So happy for you. The minister of my family church when I grew up had been a pilot of a Fokker G2 in May 1940, but I did not have a clue about what that meant when I was a kid.  He told me some stories for a high school project back in 1975, but I was too young to understand the opportunity I had been granted to spend time with him.  Cherish this!

Thank you csvousden.

I have had two long interviews with my uncle today and yesterday. At least five concentrated hours - an amazing feat for someone of his age. Chock-full of information including some bits that might feed back into IL-2.

It is a matter of serious regret that I was never able to do this with my father (d.1991), so I understand what you mean.

Enjoying this opportunity to the full.

Bruce
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My tip of the hat too to your uncle.

I guess the most obvious question would be which plane sticks out in his mind as an absolute joy to fly?

- which aircraft did he consider dangerous if you didn't treat it right?
- what did he feel after his first "kill"?
- in ground attacks, what did he consider the hardest part (i.e. bombing, strafing, rockets)?

regards,


Hi Tomoose

Thanks for your response. I will put your questions to Mr Chambers tomorrow. He's been amazing these two days - incredible recollections.

I intend to type up transcripts of the interviews over the coming months and with the permission of the family, publish them - firstly to the SAS community.


Bruce

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Did he fly Fairey Battle operationally, or as a target tug? The Fairey Battle had a terrible loss rate in France. I personally got a theory that it was used in desperation against overwhelming odds and really had no chance in hell doing what it was tasked to do.
But if the plane had sufficient escort and the situation was not being on constant retreat, a more controlled situation. Would it een able to perform ?
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Did he fly Fairey Battle operationally, or as a target tug? The Fairey Battle had a terrible loss rate in France. I personally got a theory that it was used in desperation against overwhelming odds and really had no chance in hell doing what it was tasked to do.
But if the plane had sufficient escort and the situation was not being on constant retreat, a more controlled situation, would it have been able to perform ?

Hi LuseKofte - thank you for your interest.

He flew target tugs with 16 Group APC (Armaments Practice Camp) at Thorney Island, Hampshire between July 1942 and March 1943. On 14 occasions (last being Dec. 42), he flew the Fairey Battle. He told me today that it was terrible, was underpowered, would overheat, and that the large rudder was very difficult to operate and was very inefficient. He got quite emotional (and he's not that type) about the awful losses of crew in this aircraft in the Battle of France - "they didn't stand a chance".

In contrast, he loved the Lysander - "could turn on a sixpence".
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Thanks for the battle note, my top question therefore is answered already ;)

My second would concern the PRU sorties across occupied europe.
Has he even been intercepted or did the germans try to intercept him on one of these sorties?
Did PRU pilots generally notice when there was someone chasing them? I mean IIRC radar coverage wasn't lasting there by far.
Or didn't they give a damn for intereceptors?

Third question would be the V1 intercepts.
Did he ever flip a V1? Shoot one?
Was it like all would flip them or did some still try to shoot them?
How was the Spit's handling at that speed/altitude?
Has there been a general procedure for closing in on the V1 or did each pilot have his own style?
How about friendly fire? I mean in '44 the british flak belt was quite crowded...

Best regards - Mike
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Thanks for the battle note, my top question therefore is answered already ;)

My second would concern the PRU sorties across occupied europe.
Has he even been intercepted or did the germans try to intercept him on one of these sorties?
Did PRU pilots generally notice when there was someone chasing them? I mean IIRC radar coverage wasn't lasting there by far.
Or didn't they give a damn for intereceptors?

Third question would be the V1 intercepts.
Did he ever flip a V1? Shoot one?
Was it like all would flip them or did some still try to shoot them?
How was the Spit's handling at that speed/altitude?
Has there been a general procedure for closing in on the V1 or did each pilot have his own style?
How about friendly fire? I mean in '44 the british flak belt was quite crowded...

Best regards - Mike

Morning Mike, I was hoping you would pop up.

We covered most of your questions in yesterday's session, so I can launch straight in with my morning cuppa!


PRU. March - June 1942

He was posted from 81 squadron on last in, first out basis, in response to an AMO (Air Ministry Order) calling fror PRU pilots because they were being decimated.

After training flights across Kent and ranging across southern England, he flew two missions along the coast, to gain experience without being exposed to too much risk.

Le Havre - Cherbourg   
Calais - Dieppe - Rouen - Cherbourg   

He was then sent into Germany and occupied Europe.

Emden - Wilhelmshaven   
Base - Holyhead - Base   
Aachen - marshalling yards   
Aachen - marshalling yards, Rotterdam   
Cherbourg - Le Havre - Grand Villiers A/D   
Le Havre, Grandvilliers, Lacona, 'D   
Mons area   
M/Yd Cambrai area   

They were instructed to photograph not only their target but their point of crossing the coast both ways, and to record the time on a pad on their left knee. This provided intel for the upcoming Dieppe raid and later, Overlord.

The missions lasted up to four hours.

He said that the most nervewracking was Emden - Wilhelmshaven. There was haze over Wilhelmshaven, so he tried Emden on the way back but that too was hazy so no result.  Now he had to run past several Luftwaffe fighter bases set up to block PRU flights and he was quite short of fuel. He didn't mention any actual interception though.

Perhaps the most affectting part of this was when he spoke about the pilots. He had come through Fighter Commad and had absorbed the happy-go-lucky daredevil spirit of the fighter pilot. He also knew instinctively how to fly the Spitfire  and to keep alert at all times to threats from every quarter 'rubber-necking' all the while to watch for enemy fighters. He also had to be aware of meteorological conditions, and of keeping just below the altitude where a contrail formed. If you were above that altitude, the contrail obviously gave away your location. He stated that the Germans were ignorant of this, and implied that this allowed him to see Luftwaffe aircraft and to avoid interception.

While a small number of the pilots come from Fighter Command, he said that many were from Coastal Command, and used to Hudsons and the like. They had none of the instincts of the trained fighter pilot, and with some you could tell just by looking at them that they wouldn't make it. They would fly straight and level for far too long. In the mess, they sat apart, were quite, had maybe a half pint of beer and went to bed early. They did not participate in group activities.

Once they were near the target, the trick was to have it beyond your port wing. Once it intersected with your port leading edge, you performed (I think he said - will have to check the audio) two 45 degree turns and then - when straight and level for 10 seconds - operated the camera (multiple stills) "those ten seconds went on for ever".

I will take up your further questions during today's session.
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Hi Mike and other contributors.  I have seven hours of interviews to transcribe,  going from before he joined the RAF in 1937 to when he finally retired in 1958. The densest part is 1941-1944. I am about half way through transcribing it. I then need to edit it down to remove duplications and inconsistencies . All your questions will be answered, but it'll take some time.
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