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Mcoady

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These Dornier Do17 just won't go down
« on: March 25, 2016, 02:06:01 PM »

I can usually take care of the He 111s and Ju87s pretty easily, but jeez... I'm having a hell of a time with the Do17s. Of course my current method (coming up behind) it definatly not preferred. I fly a spitfire Mk1 1939 and Do17s are destroying Dover...I have to come up with a better plan. ;D
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Re: These Dornier Do17 just won't go down
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2016, 09:14:59 AM »

here's a little snippet i found on wikipedia, so by no means the be-all and end-all, but it might help to explain this a little:

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The He 111 was nearly 100 mph slower than the Spitfire and did not present much of a challenge to catch, although the heavy armour, self-sealing fuel tanks and progressively uprated defensive armament meant that it was still a challenge to shoot down.
The Do 17 was also easy to catch but, with its radial engines with no vulnerable cooling systems and self-sealing fuel tanks, it was capable of taking an amazing amount of punishment.

i think, especially the Mk1 Spit, would have had a hard time downing one of these in reality...  :)
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Re: These Dornier Do17 just won't go down
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2016, 12:04:23 PM »

Theres many reports and photos from that period where several pilots would expend all their ammunition into just one Do17or He111 and the aircraft would not go down.

One photo comes to mind of a He111 absolutely riddled with bullet holes but it made it back to France. Mind nearly all the crew where dead or wounded but even so rifle caliber munitions advanced the change to cannons.

Best way I found is head on and aim for the cockpit especially as with most German bombers nearly all the crew are concentrated there.
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Re: These Dornier Do17 just won't go down
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2016, 12:36:34 PM »

In the same vein aircraft invincible:
- Cant-1007
- Br-20
- and others ...

Yet I can tell you that they can be destroyed without the 20mm cannon!
The "shoot the pilot" is a great solution!
We must learn to adapt to his opponent ...
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Re: These Dornier Do17 just won't go down
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2016, 03:25:46 PM »

Success!!! I finally got one. Had to dump all my ammo into the same engine/wing, but it came apart in a glorious fireball!!! Of course now my engine is smoking like a chimney...I have no idea where my wingman is ....and it's a long way back to RAF Kenley. I'll try hitting the cockpit next time I get "Scrambled".  :-|
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Re: These Dornier Do17 just won't go down
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2016, 05:08:07 PM »

Years ago in the early days of the Ubi board (when it was charcoal grey and Stormin Norman was the moderator) I remember someone posting a very helpful film capture concerning how to down He-111's with an early Hurricane without getting caught. It basically involved climbing high above your target and then entering a curving dive to fire at the cockpit area. You then loop around, regain height and wait until you're in position to do the same again. Eventually, you kill the pilot and crew, or you hit the engines. The guy who made the film consistently downed them without taking a single strike in return. That should work for Do17Zs as well. Not so much with Ju-88s as they are harder to catch and formate on. In real life, during the early part of the BoB, Germany's bombers were not so well armoured (even 109s lacked head armour) and the RAF Technical Branch monitored every German wreck for evidence that armour plate was being fitted around oil coolers and radiators. Later during the battle (say Aug-Sept 1940) it became obvious that it had been widely adopted and cannons were then required. Incidentally, the Do17Z was Germany's most prevalent bomber until spring 1941, and it dominated the BoB Blitzkrieg, followed by the He 111 (which, however, is more famous - probably because it lasted in service until the end of the war and had what Eric Brown called 'a sinister shape'). The Ju-88 appeared in relatively small numbers during the BoB. Nevertheless, all were shot down in satisfying numbers by early Spits and Hurricanes. From pilot accounts I've read, it was only the Ju-88 that RAF pilots respected as a sometimes 'difficult' opponent, because of its speed and manoeuvrability.
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Re: These Dornier Do17 just won't go down
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2016, 09:44:10 AM »

That's the approach I use vs Betty bombers and I do a LOT better that way than when I just bore straight in from astern.
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Re: These Dornier Do17 just won't go down
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2016, 12:55:37 AM »

An example but this one was bought down


from poor old spike at mission from today....a thankyou
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