Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[ensigneliminator]

I am an old user of Il2 (back to pre-AEP/FB/PF/1946 days) but I haven't been simming since 2007. First, a great thanks and appreciation to everyone involved with all the updates and mods since...WOW!  It's quite impressive and the hard work required to pull it together can't be overstated.

With that in mind, I'm trying to install CUP on a fresh (STEAM 4.12.2m ver) of 1946. I've just created 6 different copies of the STEAM install (one for each of 4 mods in CUP, a HFSX and a tinker version). I've spent the better part of 20 hours or so over the last 2 weeks reading on the various installs etc., but I still consider myself relatively new to this modding process, so please forgive my ignorance.  Likewise, I have only had time to install and play the DOF mod to date.

I've noticed that there are several restore point installs between the mods (DOF #6 for instance) with instructions that require the reinstall of SAS-MME 12 "up to date". Do the SAS-MME mods following number 12 also have to be installed corresponding to these steps, just #12, or are there any specific instructions otherwise? I've noticed that on several installs, both of the DOF modules and the MME module "reinstalls" that I'm overwriting files with older versions...although that may be purposeful, I'm still curious since it's possible the CUP install instructions predate the newer SAS-MME mods. I've searched for answers to my question but have not been able to find anything addressing this specifically on this forum or in other websites.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[ensigneliminator]

Anyone have any insight?

[Thevortex22]

I wish I could help you. Im stuck where I am at too. Some videos I watched are slightly out of date.

[LynxNot]

I'm still curious since it's possible the CUP install instructions predate the newer SAS-MME mods.

I think that what happened, ppl had CUP installed before MME-12, so thats why some release notes refer to it.

as of today, you should just install all MME modules followed by the other modules and don't forget to apply the "restore point" procedure

[ensigneliminator]

as of today, you should just install all MME modules followed by the other modules and don't forget to apply the "restore point" procedure

I'll go back and try that. I've noticed on my last install that some map options in the FMB don't seem to work. Also, I have no object descriptions in the object viewer...is that normal after installing CUP?  Even the original planes etc. that had descriptions no longer do...

[VF19_Congo]

Hi,

The object viewer should work.

I had a difficult time coming to terms with the installation of CUP, a lot of reading and confusion
for new modders, however, if you follow these steps exactly .......

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,47647.0.html

..... you should end up with a working CUP 

Don't over complicate the restore points either, just delete the relevant #XXX folder before each restore point
and move on, it's simple.  I even renamed the restore point parts like "CUP-install-part-xxx_Restore_Point_!"
so I don't even need to refer to the instructions while unzipping down the list

[ptg]

With the restore points - if you just rem and delete them, when installing CUP from fresh (as I'm trying to do for the fifth time now) surely you just install the latest # folder?  Otherwise, you unzip, rem, unzip, delete etc.?!!

[nyali]

the restore points ONLY really apply to the # folders [ ie #waw ] as I understand it they dont touch as a rule the SFS folders , ie SFS_WAW , but if you ignore all the previous restore points and they HAVE included a SFS folder addition, you would be missing some files

[VF19_Congo]

Guys,

For the purpose of installing a fresh CUP, just delete the relevant #XXX folder
PRIOR to installing the next restore point part of that module.

No rems are really required during the install process .... the rems are only a safety
in case you had an important mod in there or something from another mature install,
as the #XXX folders are the actual mod folders, where mods are later added if required.

In the end of the CUP install, that folder has been deleted many times, so, in fact, you
only need that #XXX folder from the very LAST restore point part. In theory, you could
just keep letting that #XXX folder overwrite without deleting it, as long as you deleted it
before the LAST restore point part.

The reason those #XXX folders get deleted is because they contain old code, .ini files etc
that has since been updated by the latest #XXX folder content.
Some of the content in those old #XXX folders could cause problems, so they must be
deleted before that last restore point part is installed, (containing the latest updated #XXX).

I'm not giving new CUP install instructions here, I'm just telling you how it works.

I am the first to admit that the "Restore Point type Install" instructions are beastly
to try and understand as a new installer of CUP, but the reality is much simpler.

I raised this point here in this forum when I first installed CUP, and I was confronted
by a very logical reply, which basicly said that the instructions do work, so follow them !

Perhaps there is a double meaning here, I mean, by the time you figure out how to
install CUP correctly, you have gained some working knowledge of it's structure.
I do not know if this is intended, accidental, or simply evolution.

Another barrier to correct installation is due to the latest operating systems hiding
basic file system functionality, and the user base becoming unaware, remote and
foreign to basic file handling skills.
(Let's face it, CUP installation requires skillful use of basic file handling skills!)
By providing everything at the touch of a button on a fancy front end, we now have
a world of illiterates who don't know the difference between "C" drive and a ram stick.
(present company excepted).

I still think there is opportunity to streamline the CUP install and make it more accessible
to an ever shrinking user base........ until then, I'm keeping the bucket on my head.
(where the heck is a tin hat when you need one?)

[vegetarian]

The easiest, no fuss way to install CUP is the process outlined by KiwiBiggles at Reply#1 here https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,50353.0.html. I have used this method a couple of times with no problems.
Hope this helps - and thanks to KB

Cheers