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Ki-94II Otsu Beta test.
« on: October 30, 2017, 06:09:30 PM »

An addition to the wonderful work of 101tfs, 200th Sentai, SAS~CirX and SAS~Storebror.  https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,52062.0.html  I and CWatson are making what we believe would have been the next step in this plane's evolution. The Ki-94II Otsu.
It was meant to be a high altitude fighter against the B-29's so we are adding rocket bombs and drop tanks and maybe more to fit it's intended purpose.









Loadouts include rocketts and anti-air bombs. The anti-air bombs are only meant for you. NOT your AI buddies. They will drop them like any other bomb when confronted with an enemy plane. I have asked Mike and he has told me that there isnt anything we have the ability to do to change the coding of the game to get AI to attack planes with those bombs. They are fun to use but dont expect the AI to to use them. Also, I added a loadout of 250 bombs and rocketts as if the war had pressed on but not for the best of the Japanese so this plane was used like a P-47 for ground attack. I believe they will use them to attack ground targets if you order the AI to.
Please test and let me know if you have all loadouts and how the AI use the weapons.

Released ......  https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,57311.0.html


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Re: Ki-94II KO
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2017, 06:57:27 PM »



Great idea for an upgrade.  This is one HUGE looking airplane fighter. I had a great time flying the
original model a few months back, just Beautiful! - and a new version is always welcomed in my game.
More fun for a "What if 1946 " action in the Pacific.

The USA might as well start preparing upgrading their bombers and
release the B-36 Peacemaker to fight against this mighty Ki-94-II KO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-36_Peacemaker


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Re: Ki-94II KO
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2017, 07:46:09 PM »

Nice Plane, Bombsaway, So, What is KO Stands for.

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Re: Ki-94II KO
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2017, 08:15:09 PM »

Thanks Max. :) Hi KT, KO, I believe is like A model. Like P-51 A
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Re: Ki-94II KO
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2017, 09:14:24 PM »

Kai may be more accurate as I believe it meant " Improved " . Maybe someone with more knowlage of Japanese could let us know.
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Re: Ki-94II KO
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2017, 09:27:01 PM »

Kai may be more accurate as I believe it meant " Improved " . Maybe someone with more knowlage of Japanese could let us know.

You Mean, Kai-Otsu for KO.
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Re: Ki-94II KO
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2017, 09:51:50 PM »

OK. Are you sure? I would like to get it correct. I have never named a version of a Japanese plane before.
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Re: Ki-94II KO
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2017, 10:13:29 PM »

OK. Are you sure? I would like to get it correct. I have never named a version of a Japanese plane before.

I'd wait to hear from Western too and see what he has to say, other than that, great looking beast of an aircraft! Looks SO good and SO deadly.. 8)
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Re: Ki-94II KO
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2017, 01:10:24 AM »

"Ko" has nothing to do with "Kai Otsu".
The japanese aircraft designation system operates with 3 stages.

Stage 1 is the major modification, such as significant changes to the airframe (Ki-61-II for instance, which had a 10% larger wing area, new Ha-140 (DB-605 equivalent) engine and lowered back for better rearward visiblity). This stage is indicated by a subtype number, officially in Kanji but often written in roman literals.
I will save me posting images of the Kanji names here.
In roman letters and literals, this Stage 1 "major" modification turns a Ki-61-I (the "Tony" we use to know) into a Ki-61-II.

Stage 2 is a large modification that is just not large enough to justify a new major modification number. "Large" means e.g. not just a change in the armament.
Such large modifications were designated with a Kaizo symbol, normally transliterated as "Kai", with the simple meaning "improved".
No other designations but "Kai" were used for the simple fact that there has never been more than one such modification before the next major modification came in.
In roman letters and literals, this Stage 2 "large" modification turns a Ki-61-II into a Ki-61-II Kai (Ki-61 Version II improved).

Stage 3 is a minor modification such as an armament change.
Such minor modifications were designated with japanese ordinals which, written in roman letters, start with:
Ko, Otsu, Hei, Tei, Bo, Ki, Ko, Shin, Jin, Ki, ...
Note: The first "Ko" (A) and the seventh "Ko" (G) differ in Kanji writing.
In roman letters and literals, this Stage 3 "minor" modification turns a Ki-61-II Kai Ko into a Ki-61-II Kai Otsu (Ki-61 Version II improved type 1 into Ki-61 Version II improved type 2).

Got it? Thanks for your attention ;)

Best regards - Mike
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Re: Ki-94II KO
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2017, 01:14:12 AM »

I discussed japanese naming rules with CWatson before on his Kikka project. Here's what I know about the matter.

Evolution designations "Ko", "Otsu", "Hei" are for IJA aircraft - which we have here. Name+Kai is IJN only.
IJA:
Ki-43-I "Ko"
Ki-43-I "Otsu"
Ki-43-I "Hei"

and then the same again within the next main evolution
Ki-43-II "Ko"
Ki-43-II "Otsu"

IJN would use Kai as extension to the aircraft "name" ("improved" as in Shiden and Shiden-Kai).  IJA aircrraft carried no official name

N1K1-J Shiden
N1K2-J Shiden-Kai

the number here declares the evolution in the technical denomination of the aircraft. Further version would always be called shiden-kai but with the number increasing further.

So if the original aircraft is called Ki-94-II (Ko) already, this one here would be either a Ki-94-III (Ko) or a Ki-94-II Otsu, depending on the degree of differences
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Re: Ki-94II KO
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2017, 03:56:18 AM »

THX Mike and vampire_pilot, now I know why I never fly Japanese fighters ...!  :-X

Way too complicated names ...!  8)
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Re: Ki-94II KO
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2017, 05:15:04 AM »

Thanks Mike and Vampire for your answers. Since this is just a weapons change, I dont think in real life it would require a name change but in the IL2 world I need to name it different for it's new slot so what would you guys suggest?
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