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[Seppel]

Hi!

I have a question concerning the behavior of AI planes.

I noticed, that the AI planes, enemy as well as friends are completely inactive?
The enemy aircrafts did nothing but flew their way. Not only that they didn't attack me or my fellows, they not even evade my attacks!?
He111 gunners did not answer on my attacks, Bf109 just fly straight to their doom - other Hurricanes just fly their waypoints.

I play with BAT 4.3 on full realism (except for external view).
The campaigns and missions itself works fine. No problems with loading etc.
I opened one of the missions in FMB and can't find sth. strange / errors. AI at "Normal", Ammo there.

What am I doing wrong?

[vonofterdingen]

This is an old campaign. The last update I did was 2018. Try something newer, like this:

https://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads3&file=details&id=3233

If you still have a problem we will need to see what is going on with your system. If you no longer have the problem, we need to see what is going on with the old campaign.

[Seppel]

Thanks a lot!

I will try this!!
Unfortunately the problem occurs in "new" campaigns (He-162 from VampirePilot) , too.

I'll report back!

[Frankiek]

The problem is not with the campaign but is a more general one, my impression is that all the changes introduced since 4.09/4.10 is making the AI decision process more complex resulting sometimes in very odd behaviors.

Just recently I was looking at the AI gunners targeting and shooting and finding that in the end the 4.09 gunners will be better while in 4.12.2  sometime they will just track the target but not shooting or target an enemy plane far away and ignore the ones attacking their flight a few meters away. 

[Seppel]

In fact, the gunners sid not even aim on me! I tested that innspecific.
I am not expierienced in this inner il2 things but I am afraid that you are right with the version.

I will test this "new" campaign version and the SAAF campaign I found here.
I wonder that nobone else -except for you Frankiek- had problems.

[vonofterdingen]

In the testing that Larschance and I performed we had no problems with AI aggressiveness, or lack thereof, in the two campaigns you are trying (Pack of Dogs and SAAF) so your results should be telling. Let us know.

The only time I have seen the passive ai behavior you describe is when bombers encounter other bombers.

[Frankiek]

well I found problems because I specifically looked for them. I was trying to fix a bomber rear turret that was refusing to fire so to sort it out I had to grab a better understanding of AI turret behavior. I also like to fly older versions both stock an mod and it is quite amazing to see the difference in plane behavior not always for the better.

[vonofterdingen]

Interesting. So the bomber turret problems, or changes at least, were ai related.I guess I haven't played 4.10 for so long that I haven't noticed the changes.

[Frankiek]

It applies to both AI planes and AI turrets. Plenty of additional conditions and maneuvers have been added like not attacking if they don't see the target or not shooting through clouds or far away etc etc. A typical example is the difficulties in getting a correct torpedo run in the more recent versions with planes refusing to keep the very low altitude and speed needed by fragile torpedos because they also try to follow improved AI routines for correct flying and ground avoiding.

[Seppel]

To become precise:
I did a test pass near  a formation of He111 in 1/2 speed.
Not one single machine gun shot or even aimed at me.
Not the dorsal gunner, not the belly, side or front gunner.

I used to play Steel Beasts -tank sim-. There you could set the AI to "blind", f.e. for training missions.
It is like that! As if the AI -fighters too, as I wrote- do not see other planes ( not only player).

[Seppel]

-> vonofterding:
I read somewhere that AI does not attack, resp. ignore, if it has no ammo left.
But I checked this in FMB - everything fine there.

[Seppel]

Okay. A friend built a test mission and there it worked!

We played the Blue Squadron campaign and THERE the I-16 attacked?!


Is there any new feature in the mission builder I do not know?