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weasel

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Canopy rips off in flight
« on: October 20, 2019, 01:04:17 PM »

I was asked to try and replicate the canopy flying off when opened during flight in a P51.  I tried in level and a power dive at 500mph and it stayed on.  I then tried in a P40 at 240km/hr level flight and off it came, I was then flying a spitfire and coming in to land, speed below 200km/hr and off it came again.

Is this game code?
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Re: Canopy rips off in flight
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2019, 02:18:05 PM »

Hi!

As BAT is a bundle of mods, many of the planes are mods. And many mod-builders implemented an automatically working canopy-opener for planes in approach for landing, esp. Spits and Hurricanes. This was mentioned to give the pilot a little bit of "Battle-of-Britain-feeling", when landing on grass surfaced airstrips, esp. the invisible ones, as in real life the pilots opened their canopies for easier rescue, just in case... .
Unfortunatly this was copied and pasted to other planes, so some BF 109s open their canopies during approach, which makes definitly no sense.... (see: https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,51389.12.html?PHPSESSID=b40fcf7c3cea6a48737735bb69684dfb)

Sometimes you can fix it by choosing another series of your plane (for example a BF 109 E-4 instead a BF 109 E-3).

You simply have to live with that, sorry.

Have a nice day,
Bigmug
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Re: Canopy rips off in flight
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2019, 02:43:33 PM »

Fw.190's especially.  Make sure to close them before you take off.  For me, anyway...
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Re: Canopy rips off in flight
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2019, 03:32:59 PM »

Thanks for the replies, will let the chap who asked me about it know too.
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Re: Canopy rips off in flight
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2019, 01:04:29 PM »

After installing the P-40 opening canopy mod a while back, I found that the opened canopy tire off above some particular speed. Going from memory here, I found that in one or both of the base P-40 class and cockpit class a variable that set this rip-away speed, with a small variability coded in. I increased this value so that it would be more congruent with other cockpits having openable canopies (and no tear-away velocity coded at all.)
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Re: Canopy rips off in flight
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2019, 03:28:07 PM »

is the canopy adjustment something anyone can do, or do you need to have modding know how?  For me it flew off at 240km/hr and in the Spitfire XVI it was below 200km/hr.
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Re: Canopy rips off in flight
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2019, 11:07:36 AM »

This kind of adjustment requires to alter classfiles, which are compiled Java code. I do this without any sophisticated knowledge of Java, via a simple decompiler (called Jode) that 'extracts/creates' the Java file which can be edited with any text editor. Once my changes are made, I recompile and hash the classfiles (with Jode), putting them in a mod folder of my own making.

You must have Java installed on your computer, ideally an earlier version compatible with the 'old' Il-2 code. After going through the process of extracting the classfile, decompiling, editing, and compiling/hashing, it becomes a simple enough task. But having some programming experience is handy; I've worked in BASIC in the past.
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Re: Canopy rips off in flight
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2019, 02:49:01 PM »

Ok, I will skip it and just keep the canopy closed.  Thanks.
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