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[Mission_bug]

Hello guys, as promised here are my basic templates for the Avro Anson.

Mediafire link updated 30th May 2020:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/qortuxfdvzik5u2/Avro_Anson_skin_templates_updated_May_30th_2020.7z/file

Intended for the model by the IES team:

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,61145.0.html


A small selection of my skins from these templates:

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,64091.0.html


Two skins included in the download for R.A.F. insignia only schemes:










The model is not the best canvas to paint, there are issues with stretching on the nacelles with
one covering port and starboard inner and the other both outer surfaces so this makes things
awkward, some rivets were left off and some you can still see the stretching.

The fuselage and wings required the insignia and numbers to be increased in height but reduced
in width, the ailerons also have issues with alignment, there are also some light problems in various
areas, however, once these are taken into account all is good.


Thanks to all involved in bringing this historic aircraft into the sim, really appreciated.


Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Mission_bug]

Hello guys, I am looking to create a few skins for the Avro Anson used by Greece up to and during WWII from my
template but information is scarce, do any of you have anything available please.

What I have so far:

I have some contradictory info for N56, R.A.F. Green, Brown and Night, B scheme with and without insignia underneath.

N59, a Black and White image of this aircraft in flight over Athens difficult to determine but I assume the R.A.F. scheme but cannot determine the underneath colour.

N60, Green/Brown but with a pale Blue underside, what shade or BS number unknown.

N61, another Black and White image that is difficult to make out but I assume in the Green/Brown but underneath who knows.

Codes appear to be White on all prefixed with what seems to be N, some of the images would seem to indicate a Greek letter
others it is shown as a upper case N.


First skin, insignia only in the R.A.F. B scheme:





As far as I know twelve aircraft were ordered and following the fall of Greece four aircraft made it to Egypt and
became part of the R.A.F., I have to assume the scheme is how they were delivered to the customer.


Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[cgagan]

Hi Pete, please see two photos of an accurate reproduction of a RHAF Avro Anson from a Greek modellers' club, Costas

[Mission_bug]

Hello Costas, thank you very much for those images, really appreciated.

I was unsure about the underside markings as I have similar images of this very aircraft and I would prefer if at all possible to be as close as possible with the schemes.  Seeing as this is a accurate representation I will go with this for each aircraft but altering the code accordingly,
hope that will be acceptable.

Most of the information comes from decal sheets and if they had the same issue as me in regard to Black and White images it is easy to get
things badly wrong, I still might, I was unsure whether the schemes portrayed were from the four aircraft that escaped the destruction that befell the others and whether or not the Scheme was the original authentic one as specified by the customer or if it had been applied once
the aircraft were integrated into the R.A.F. order of battle.

Anyway, I will use your example as said for all four I intended to do both in application of the scheme and how the code is presented.


Take care and be safe.


Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Mission_bug]

Well here we go then, N56 as best I can get it.







This was easy code wise as it uses standard R.A.F letters as far as I can tell, however, some of the aircraft
use this code preceding the 59, is it a N or a symbol or a numeral?   I tried sorting through various Greek font
today but did not really find a answer I was completely happy with so will just paint it as best I can:



It would be easy to assume this letter or whatever it represents was over painted on the aircraft
that made the trip to Egypt as I seem to see it on images that claim to be in Greece, anyway, on
we go.


Take care and be safe.


Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Vampire_pilot]

it's a capital Pi

That's interesting though. The "N" could be a mistranslation. Is there an actual photo showing the letter "N"? I know the P.24 used Greek letters as designations, like Delta (also the capital).

there is a picture.


indeed this could be a latin alphabet added to be in line with British designations in Egypt. Makes sense.


there's also this one:



a Navy plane. Could "N" be a designation for Naval aircraft?

[Mission_bug]

It is certainly difficult Andy, I looked at 'Pi' and also various upper and lower case letters, also took a look at numbers as well from Greek alphabets, some of the aircraft as in the photograph you provide are clearly a 'N' no doubt, however, the photograph of 59 over Athens
is clearly different.

All I can do is represent the aircraft as I see them in the photographs as best I can, thankfully the symbol, number or letter is easy enough to replicate it would just be nice to know exactly what it represents.

I came a cross a full list of serials for the Anson batch sold to Greece and that seems to indicate 'N', however it is still something I would like to clear up for certain.


Take care and be safe.


Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Vampire_pilot]

N for Navy, Greek letters for Air Force is what I was proposing as possibility

I am stupid! It is a capital "Ny"?  It IS a Greek letter, not a roman N. I did not think of it because we usually tend to be more familiar with Greek lower case and there Ni is looking like "v"!

I know of capital Delta (triangle, for fighters) Capital Beta (for bombers), capital Ni, capital Pi

[Mission_bug]

Hello again Andy, so are you saying this symbol actually indicates the type of mission of the aircraft, bomber in this instance?

From what I remember of various readings the Anson was intended for coastal work, I guess in the same way the R.A.F. had Coastal Command, yet by that time Greece did not have a separate naval arm as all forces were integrated into one single force during the early thirties so I assumed it was not a naval code.  Reading through various things on the order of battle the symbol appears as some representation of attack type profile, not sure I can explain that to you as such, again something that sticks from reading all kinds of different threads.

Here is the list of codes I mentioned earlier:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiTx6aA-9npAhXMRxUIHWqnC9YQFjAEegQIARAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.12oclockhigh.net%2Farchive%2Findex.php%3Ft-31528.html&usg=AOvVaw3snbfH-G5_88-1bHvx2czw

Here mention is made of the TT designation from British coding, noting it looks like 'Pi', all very confusing I think.


Anyway, thank you very much for the help, really appreciated.

I will replicate things as I see them in the various photos and be dammed, the purists can make their own.


Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[cgagan]

Hello gents, Andy is right, it's a capital "Ny". Greek capital letters, Α,Β,Γ,Δ,Ε,Ζ,Η,Θ,Ι,Κ,Λ,Μ,Ν,Ξ,Ο,Π,Ρ,Σ,Τ,Υ,Φ,Χ,Ψ,Ω

[Vampire_pilot]

while a system in some areas seems quite straight (use of Delta and B), the use of N (Ny) is a bit inconclusive and it was used in Fairey III, Do-22, Anson... but not on the He-126, which used Sigma
I have not found any other photo of any other aircraft using the Pi.

Here mention is made of the TT designation from British coding, noting it looks like 'Pi', all very confusing I think.

It is not unheard of that a redesignation has happened. Maybe some of the Ansons were designated differently in a different role from the original lists?

[Mission_bug]

Hello gents, Andy is right, it's a capital "Ny". Greek capital letters, Α,Β,Γ,Δ,Ε,Ζ,Η,Θ,Ι,Κ,Λ,Μ,Ν,Ξ,Ο,Π,Ρ,Σ,Τ,Υ,Φ,Χ,Ψ,Ω

Thank you very much for that Costas, really appreciated.

So essentially if I get this right then the Anson in the photograph I posted uses a different letter on the home aircraft to precede the numbers 59, I was thinking the use of 'N' was actually a Anglised way of writing the Greek letter when they are two separate things entirely or am I still very confused?

Take care and be safe.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.