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WhiteSnake1976

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Re: Looking for a GPU
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2023, 06:45:18 PM »

It is true but Microsoft support is very clear on that above 2 GB  effect is doubtful and in any case even if 3gb are recognised win XP 32 system files will never use the additional amount. if you have win xp server 64  then is a different story. On this PC I am not running anything newer than 2008-2009. For more modern programmes I have two laptops win 10

It made a difrence on my old Pentium system with XP 32bit wen i switched from 2GB to 4GB, the system always reserves a part of the memory, so if you only got 2GB it reserves a part of the 2GB for system resourses, if you got 4, you will only see 3GB, but you will have 2GB (max that can be asigned to a program/game free with out a huge chunk of that 2GB already being reserved by the system.

It is really unfortunate that AMD/ATI didn't establish a very simple archive for their drivers.  A big tech company like this one making saving on storage space seems ridiculous. I lost hours of searching the web for the most appropriate versions and in any case I ended up with incomplete downloads not signed and far from being Windows certified. The last think that happened is that many drivers set have incomplete content missing parts of CCC packs or other components so you can end up very easily with faulty installs.

All AMD/ATI drivers are on the AMD Driver Support site, but maybe your mouse is so old school it doesnt have scroll button? but your card is not even listed under Legacy there, its listed under AMD Radeon HD
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Re: Looking for a GPU
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2023, 09:33:59 PM »

My mouse is not a fancy 12 buttons gaming mouse but it has a scroll wheel unfortunately AMD only keeps the latest usable version for the old cards not the whole historical series. In addition in the few legacy series available there's no trace of the agp version needed. In any case if you are able to provide me with a link for official amd drivers for my agp radeon hd 4670 i would be more than happy as the version that i downloaded from the amd site is not recognizing my gpu and the latest version from the His site is catalyst 10.7. As far as memory is concerned is not my limiting factor. I am monitoring the usage and it never come close to the limits on the other side my poor Pentium 4 suffer at 98 99 100 percent capacity when running il2
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Re: Looking for a GPU
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2023, 06:05:34 AM »

Oh yes, I still remember the days when I was playing IL-2 on Hyperlobby with my P4 3GHz, single core, no hyperthreading.
4.11 was the hottest shit back than, and the server we've played on allowed HSFX 6 players to join.
There were missions I could play @15FPS and others (with big cities, lots of heavy bombers etc.) with 0.1 FPS slideshows.
All CPU capped.
The GPU never ever went to its limits.

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Re: Looking for a GPU
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2023, 06:17:50 AM »

Indeed and I realized that even using texture compression is counterproductive as it takes out burden from memory and GPU but adds load on the CPU so in stock games I never use it
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Re: Looking for a GPU
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2023, 04:55:57 PM »

13.4 is the latest on the AMD site for your card: https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-hd/ati-radeon-hd-4000-series/ati-radeon-hd-4670
But if it doesnt detect your GPU you can try the big button that says "download windows drivers" here: https://www.amd.com/en/support and see if it detects anything.

Other than that i found this Topic about the same card and drivers:  https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/where-can-i-find-the-ati4670-agp-card-drivers.261099/

From that it seems that this driver should work under XP 32bit with your card.
https://www.driverscloud.com/en/services/GetInformationDriver/26501-28283/amd-14-4-xp32-64-dd-ccc-pack1exe



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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2023, 05:52:13 PM »

Really thanks for trying to help, i got the exact same downloads (and many others) as mentioned the official 13.4 is not supporting the agp version of my card but just the pci-e and auto detect works only for Win10\1. In some cases you can try to force a manual install of the drivers but in my case resulted in a loop bsd that i manage to overcome only by deleting everything that had to do with ati\amd from my system. After that i downloaded everything i could find from 09.8 (that i had from my previous ati gpu) to 12.3 and i went through the very painful exercise of identifying one by one the best suited for my system. For the time being i have settled with 10.9 that support perfect mode. it seems that some 2011 drivers are better however my system don't digest them and with them i have a number of glitches, bsd, slow motion fps and again i had to wipe my system clean and reinstall 10.9. In all this my soundblaster audigy was also affected and i had to revert to the il2 2006 mg_sound dll to get everything back.

The big problem with unofficial driver downloads is that they are often incomplete so even if the driver itself works then ccc is not working or that drivers have been "modded" or adapted somehow and of course not signed and not whql compliant therefore the problems with system instability. That is why i think is a pity that a big and lucrative company as AMD didn't bother to mantain an historical archive with a very limited additional cost and wouldn't take more than a couple of hundred g of server space. This could have helped a lot their clients and i am sure that the community would have appreciated and most likely increased the use of their products. As mentioned in one of the post linked by you it is much easier to download old drivers for Nvidia and it took me less than three minutes to find the last working version (together with the previous ones) for GeForce 550m ,win7 13 year old, all official all signed all whql.
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Re: Looking for a GPU
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2023, 01:56:07 PM »

The guy explained it in the topic i linked, from what i read it is the Win XP AGP version of the driver, but his problem is with Win 7.

He also mentions there should a identifier for the AGP driver.

But i am wondering, did you try to use the AMD Cleanup utility or DDU Display Driver Uninstaller? because the driver you say works is the latest driver available for the ATI 9600 XT, so maybe theres a conflict.

Also make sure your Motherboard and Graphicscard Bios are both up to date (you can find the latest Bios on Techpowerup also, maybe you need to use GPU-ID to identify the current version you have and look up the latest one with the info it gives.
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Re: Looking for a GPU
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2023, 03:34:44 PM »

Just to clarify that for the time being everything is working well with catalyst 10.9 and that after various failed attempts  to upgrade  going through all the proper steps using the DDU (several times actually) i just decided to settle with this. As mentioned the official 13.4 is not the AGP version missing the code for my GPU and even forcing the manual driver install didn't work out and made thing worst.   

the latest working driver for the 9600 is actually the legacy 10.2  but 9.10 was better because perfect mode was running without glitches while 10.2 couldn't run perfect mode having several issues with OpenGL that have been progressively sorted out only from 10.7 onward. in fact many were using the atiogl.dll from 9.10 to be able to run IL-2 in perfect mode. In my case also this didn't work. 

At this stage the software and hardware of my setup are uptodate and optimized and If I want to improve further I should change the motherboard but then better to buy an complete more modern legacy PC what I have no intention. My challenge was to optimize my 20 year old system pushing it to his limits what I more or less managed to do.

 

   
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