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Title: P-61 Black Widow Franken [4.10]
Post by: Wildchild on September 12, 2011, 01:21:09 PM
ALL CREDIT GOES TO Checkyersix!!!!!!!!!
You are allowed to edit this mod, ONLY as long as you give credit to CY6


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I'll be going into an intensive program next week, so I won't be able to mod for a good six months.

As such, I'm cleaning out my modding closet. I'll be posting a few mods I've had for a while but have never released for one reason or another.

Most of these mods are frankenplanes or modifications of other planes, all for 4.10. Most of them have issues of one form or another, like wings that pass through objects, etc, but they do fly and they are fun to use.

These mods will be released "as is" - I'm not going to have any time to update them or fix problems that may crop up, so use at your own risk.

The first one is a P-61 Black Widow frankenplane, made out of who-knows-what other planes (I think there's an A-20 in there...). It's got tracerless ammo and the turret is fixed forward...

Have fun...

Download: https://www.mediafire.com/?na6bgd6dhdb5y2t

CY6.



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Also CY6, do we have permission to improve these models and still include you as main author?


Sure.



I'm so far unable to install this in my UP3... let me know if you can find a fix...
Title: Re: P-61 Franken
Post by: Wildchild on September 12, 2011, 01:31:30 PM
Ton, i was just getting ready to post that Diff FM but you beat me to it... ;)
Title: Re: P-61 Franken
Post by: benitomuso on September 12, 2011, 01:52:06 PM
People,

               AFAIK this is the CY6 P-61 beta without further evolution. If it is, you will need the armament that this plane uses, perhaps that's the reason why it doesn't work in UP beyond the DiffFM issue.

  At the begining those weapons were originally included in CsoCso F6F5N.

  Correction: but I have just checked and in this pack they are inlcluded, so the only possible issue is with DifFM.

  Regards,
                         Pablo

Title: Re: P-61 Franken
Post by: Wildchild on September 12, 2011, 02:02:58 PM
I actually like Ton's version better, as it works with all the aircraft from here that i have and from other sites as well. And its not as confusing :P

I think his should be standard  ;D
Title: Re: P-61 Franken
Post by: Knochenlutscher on September 12, 2011, 03:27:15 PM
Yeah, so happy, great share.
Absolutely needed.
Thanks a bunch to all involved
Title: Re: P-61 Franken
Post by: Epervier on September 12, 2011, 03:44:27 PM
A beautiful bird!
Thank you very much !  :) :) :)
Title: Re: P-61 Franken
Post by: Wildchild on September 12, 2011, 05:17:04 PM
Anymore comments?  ;)
Title: Re: P-61 Franken
Post by: WulfPack3 on September 12, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
Holy ... :o
Title: Re: P-61 Franken
Post by: CWMV on September 12, 2011, 06:48:15 PM
I see a few P11's on there... :D
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: cgagan on September 13, 2011, 12:03:05 AM
Great addition! Many thanks to all involved!  8)
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: flying scotsman on September 13, 2011, 02:05:03 AM
 8) One of the forgotten planes of WW2 and one of the more interesting, thanks, For those interested there's one being rebuilt at Mid Altantic Air Museum MAAM
THANK YOU ;D
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: [URU]Mustang on September 13, 2011, 02:09:58 AM
Such a great plane :D
I hope somebody can build a new cockpit and make the guners and radar operetaor stations work :D
Cheers
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: farang65 on September 13, 2011, 04:34:29 AM
Swwwwweeeeeettttt   :D ;) ;D 

Thank you CY6   ;D :D ;)

I've heard about this franken craft.

Definitely time for some night time Betty hunting  :D ;) :)

Really nice work CY6   ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Cranky.1 on September 13, 2011, 05:50:51 AM
Thanks CY6  ;D
Just to let everyone know there is two skins they can download by seiben & King
(http://downloads.flightsimfiles.com/image/7116)
http://downloads.flightsimfiles.com/package/3558
http://downloads.flightsimfiles.com/package/4054
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: benitomuso on September 13, 2011, 08:03:39 AM
But that picture you posted doesn't have anything to do with the Nortrop P-61 Black Widow!

Your skins are for A-20s Blackwidowized, not for real P-61s.

Regards,
                   Pablo
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: BT~Tarik on September 13, 2011, 09:10:58 AM
Gosh, never know this plane was so cool ! Really fun to fly it !
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: jacques54 on September 13, 2011, 11:03:19 AM
Hello Everybody

Do this great plane works in 4.101m HSFX 4.11 ???

Many thanks for any reply

Jack
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: jacques54 on September 14, 2011, 02:33:22 AM
Hello again

How can I install the P61 in IL2 1946 4.11 with HSFX 5 ??

Many thanks for any help
Regards jacques
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Cranky.1 on September 14, 2011, 03:57:35 AM
But that picture you posted doesn't have anything to do with the Nortrop P-61 Black Widow!

Your skins are for A-20s Blackwidowized, not for real P-61s.

Regards,
                   Pablo

give it a try and see for yourself
(http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz73/S-Warhurst/1309201121-34-22.jpg)

p.s. I am changing some TGA files & reshaping the artwork so it looks better later tonight just for myself  :P
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Wildchild on September 14, 2011, 04:13:38 AM
Hello again

How can I install the P61 in IL2 1946 4.11 with HSFX 5 ??

Many thanks for any help
Regards jacques

4.11?
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: benitomuso on September 14, 2011, 07:23:51 AM
But that picture you posted doesn't have anything to do with the Nortrop P-61 Black Widow!

Your skins are for A-20s Blackwidowized, not for real P-61s.

Regards,
                   Pablo

give it a try and see for yourself
(http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz73/S-Warhurst/1309201121-34-22.jpg)

p.s. I am changing some TGA files & reshaping the artwork so it looks better later tonight just for myself  :P

Cranky,
               I will check it, but the plane in your picture is an A-20 and the references in your post speak clearly about the A-20s before the release of the CY6 P-61, so there wasn't any reason to believe that they would work. But if they do is wonderful, it seems that the mapping of the model is so similar to the A-20 that the skins are still applicable.

  On the other side, it's kind of annoying to have to register in one site just to download a couple of skins, that apart of your comments seem to be aimed to other plane.

  Would you share in some more accessible site these skins?

  Regards,
                     Pablo
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Rudi_Jaeger on September 14, 2011, 08:12:12 AM
...it seems that the mapping of the model is so similar to the A-20 that the skins are still applicable.

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2qjhp49.jpg)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/2i0etqx.jpg)

Of course I'm at work and don't even have a chance to check my own skins :)

But if the A20G skins are compatible, then you guys might enjoy these, over at Axis & Allies Paintworks.. P-70, Black Widow Commemorative Series #1 (http://axis-and-allies-paintworks.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=197&t=1533)

Although I'm not sure if the antenna vismod will interfere with the actual 3D antennae on the model.. but it might be worth a try, as they're actually historical Black Widow schemes. Perhaps they could fill the gap until a template can be tailored to the model.

btw; I haven't had a chance to install the Widow yet.. anyone know if the textures are all on the same file, or will the model require pieces from multiple templates? ..or are certain parts generated from elsewhere?

Just trying to get an idea for the complexity of the final assembly.. for example, it would be tough to skin any of the OD green versions, if any of the major components were still displaying in black. One would likely have to settle for one color or the other, unless they were willing to periodically change the 'hard-coded components' (for lack of a better term). But hey, I'll take whatever I can get, certainly nothing wrong with an  all-black 'Black Widow' ;)
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: benitomuso on September 14, 2011, 09:16:34 AM
btw; I haven't had a chance to install the Widow yet.. anyone know if the textures are all on the same file, or will the model require pieces from multiple templates? ..or are certain parts generated from elsewhere?

Rudi,
             the plane of CY6 has inside templates from 4 different planes to compose the textures of his P-61. I think I can regognize an A-20 one there, but there are others that I really don't know which ones are.

  Regards,
                       Pablo
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Rudi_Jaeger on September 14, 2011, 09:55:05 AM
..the plane of CY6 has inside templates from 4 different planes to compose the textures of his P-61. I think I can regognize an A-20 one there, but there are others that I really don't know which ones are.

Ouch! No template-build for me then, just don't have the time. Thank you for the info Pablo.
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: jacques54 on September 14, 2011, 11:33:45 AM
Hello

It 's me again, I have installed the P61 mod with the newest Diff FM available for 4.101 with HSFX 5.1
I can see the P61 in the Quick mission builder, and when I press "FLY" button the loding is starting til 100%, but stop with
the mention mission load fail = null

Could somebody help me ??

Many thanks
Regards
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Wildchild on September 14, 2011, 01:47:46 PM
..the plane of CY6 has inside templates from 4 different planes to compose the textures of his P-61. I think I can regognize an A-20 one there, but there are others that I really don't know which ones are.

Ouch! No template-build for me then, just don't have the time. Thank you for the info Pablo.

Cranky.1 is working on the skin right now and he may be able to send you a template...
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Cranky.1 on September 14, 2011, 03:09:30 PM
I think I bitten off more then I can chew. the artwork shows up in three places e.g. the nose twice & the rear of the plane.
I will still have a go at it.
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Wildchild on September 14, 2011, 03:20:37 PM
I'm going to ask CY6 if he has a template
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Checkyersix on September 14, 2011, 03:32:38 PM
There's no template, I used a modified A-20 skin for the fuselage and wings. The tailbooms are from the Fw-189, and use a separate .tga inside the a/c folder.
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Whiskey_Sierra_972 on September 14, 2011, 03:35:45 PM
If you look at the 3do plane folder you'll see that there are more than 4 tga files group each one cover a portion of the skin....like the Tiger Moth it isn't easily skinnable nor a template can be done easily too!!!

Some modification can be anyway done and I guarantee you that if I'll do them like the T.M. I'll share with all you!!!

All the best at all and a special GREAT THANKS to Checkyersix!!!

walter
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Far77 on September 15, 2011, 12:15:48 AM
Many thanks to Checkyersix for the interesting plane!

Maybe somebody could be interested to make the 4x12.7mm turret rotatable? It would be a powerful and accurate defensive armament as the Central fire control for the gun turret was similar to that used on the B-29, the General Electric GE2CFR12A3.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_P-61_Black_Widow ).
...
Also from wiki:
P-61B-25   Turret automatically aimed and fired by the APG-1 gun-laying radar connected to an analogue computer; six built.
(i.e. the shooting should be still rather accurate while P-61 and/or its target maneuvering)

 Or maybe transfer the turret from B-29?... :)
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: benitomuso on September 15, 2011, 08:07:51 AM
Many thanks to Checkyersix for the interesting plane!

Maybe somebody could be interested to make the 4x12.7mm turret rotatable? It would be a powerful and accurate defensive armament as the Central fire control for the gun turret was similar to that used on the B-29, the General Electric GE2CFR12A3.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_P-61_Black_Widow ).
...
Also from wiki:
P-61B-25   Turret automatically aimed and fired by the APG-1 gun-laying radar connected to an analogue computer; six built.
(i.e. the shooting should be still rather accurate while P-61 and/or its target maneuvering)

 Or maybe transfer the turret from B-29?... :)

  It isn't difficult to implement the code for the turret itself, the problem is to make available the cockpit at the second level, because for the pilot the A20 is being used and it fits very well, but for the next position you need a visual including the lower cockpit and you need more or less some quality to respect the style of the first cockpit. The radar operator was able to shut with it too, and so the 3rd cockpit should be implemented too.

  Some time ago somebody posted at SAS this wonderful video that clearly depicts how many things a pilot of such an "advanced plane for the time" ned to have on mind, and it's amazing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo-f2x8T7d8

  The first one is quite OK:

(http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs_cockpits/northrop-p61c-blackwidow.jpg)

 or:

(http://www.cybermodeler.net/aircraft/p-61/images/p-61_pit02.jpg)

Second one:

(http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu315/nmillett/P61GunnerndCockpit.jpg)
As you can see the second cockpit had the stick for the gunner, and it was different to the one of the pilot.

3rd one:

(http://www.vqwarbirds.com/vq/images/access/p61cockpit/cockpit2.jpg)

  Regards,
                        Pablo
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Far77 on September 15, 2011, 08:52:06 AM
...
  It isn't difficult to implement the code for the turret itself, the problem is to make available the cockpit at the second level, because for the pilot the A20 is being used and it fits very well, but for the next position you need a visual including the lower cockpit and you need more or less some quality to respect the style of the first cockpit. The radar operator was able to shut with it too, and so the 3rd cockpit should be implemented too.
...
 

If just the turret made rotating and shooting by AI (as Me-210,410 do for many years already) it would be a large step forward. Next step could be human-gunner cockpit.






Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Far77 on October 02, 2011, 02:08:16 AM
P-61 manual:
http://depositfiles.com/files/mxg4hb5mx
Thanks for this to someone unknown (not me).
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: benitomuso on October 02, 2011, 08:47:44 AM
Great Stuff Far!!!

  Thanks to you and to the unknown one.

  Pablo
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: [URU]Mustang on October 02, 2011, 10:30:20 AM
I think that a franken cockpit between a Bewfighter and the A-20 would do just fine :D
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Wildchild on October 02, 2011, 12:34:33 PM
Hmm... I wonder if we can use a 3D Model from a FSX airplane as a cleaner slate for this...
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: benitomuso on October 02, 2011, 01:02:32 PM
Hmm... I wonder if we can use a 3D Model from a FSX airplane as a cleaner slate for this...

I think that the external 3D is quite good. A small refinement could be obtained, but I don't anything about the damage model and the other layers of this CY6 plane. If they are more or less finished, for sure it's quite more difficult to start from another 3D Model that can be copyrighted.

Something that would be important is to homogenize the textures and create a good void skin for it.

Regards,
                    Pablo

Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: [URU]Mustang on October 02, 2011, 08:16:18 PM
Yeah, the external model is very good, I think that a new void and a new cockpit would be better than a new external model :D
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Far77 on October 02, 2011, 11:44:47 PM
Hmm... I wonder if we can use a 3D Model from a FSX airplane as a cleaner slate for this...

I think that the external 3D is quite good. A small refinement could be obtained, but I don't anything about the damage model and the other layers of this CY6 plane. If they are more or less finished, for sure it's quite more difficult to start from another 3D Model that can be copyrighted.

Something that would be important is to homogenize the textures and create a good void skin for it.

Regards,
                    Pablo

Pablo,
If you plan to continue with P-61 couldn't you initially make the  rotating turret governing by AI-gunner? (like Me-210/410). Or take the turret's governing from B-29 for a human gunner? It would make the play much more exciting. Of course it is just an idea...
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: benitomuso on October 03, 2011, 12:59:06 AM
Hmm... I wonder if we can use a 3D Model from a FSX airplane as a cleaner slate for this...

I think that the external 3D is quite good. A small refinement could be obtained, but I don't anything about the damage model and the other layers of this CY6 plane. If they are more or less finished, for sure it's quite more difficult to start from another 3D Model that can be copyrighted.

Something that would be important is to homogenize the textures and create a good void skin for it.

Regards,
                    Pablo

Pablo,
If you plan to continue with P-61 couldn't you initially make the  rotating turret governing by AI-gunner? (like Me-210/410). Or take the turret's governing from B-29 for a human gunner? It would make the play much more exciting. Of course it is just an idea...

Far,
              I will try, but I'm stucked with too many things. In fact the P-61 had a mode where the turret with the 4 .50 Browning mguns, was switched to a fixed position (to the front) and the pilot himself was able to shoot them to intensify the frontal fire. This mode I mention is exactly as it is dispossed now. It is true that in this way it will never help to defend the plane from a rear coming bandit.

  Let me see what can I do. The real implementation of the gunner cockpit will be kind of tough. I couldn't find any detailed picture of that position. The manual we have is a pilot's manual, not a plane manual, so only speaks about everything in the pilot's position.

  Regards,
                    Pablo
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Far77 on October 03, 2011, 01:47:52 AM
Pablo,

B-29 also doesnot have gunner cockpit just gunner's gunsight. Anyway Me-210/410-type pure AI-governing would be nice too.

Thank you!
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: benitomuso on October 03, 2011, 08:06:16 AM
Pablo,

B-29 also doesnot have gunner cockpit just gunner's gunsight. Anyway Me-210/410-type pure AI-governing would be nice too.

Thank you!

Yes Far, but in the B-29 the gunners were located in those glass (or plexiglass) bubbles, so they can see to the outside and aim with the gunsight and shoot and move the assembly with those joysticks similar to the PlayStation ones:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/b-29-engineering-flight-book-8691.html

So the bubbles of the Il-2 flyable B-29 are more or less realistic, there wasn't much difference with your perspective in the plane. But in the P-61 you were in a more typical cockpit, it wasn't a clean bubble.

But as you propose it: you the pilot and an AI gunner it would be nice because the plane would have self-defence hardware. I think that adding the chance of switching Fixed front shooting / AI gunner defence will make this to rock!

By the way: with this plane you can destroy tens of enemy planes. It is really a killer in the game. I tend to think that the speed you can reach here is a little over-dimensioned for a medium size plane.

Regards,
                      Pablo
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: Far77 on October 03, 2011, 09:04:15 AM
It sounds nice!
Thank you Pablo!
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: fallout3 on October 04, 2011, 09:46:06 AM
Hi Guys! Got a weird problem, 4.101 with SAS modactivator 3, The plane flies all right, however when I pull the trigger after a one-econd short burst I run out of ammo...
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: congo on October 04, 2011, 11:44:01 AM
P-61 modder if you continue with this project ailerons need to be considerably smaller about half of what they are now. The actual aircraft has a set of spoilers that act in conjunction with the ailerons depending upon speed. Gun stations were located aft of pilot and in the tail of fuselage but could be taken over by pilot for forward firing additionally there are four 20mm in the belly. Powerplants are R-2800 with both Turbo and Supercharging.
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken
Post by: 52Zebra on September 12, 2015, 09:14:18 AM
Do you have a 4.12 version of the P-61?
I have one that in my 4.12 but only the default skin works.
(http://s17.postimg.cc/bu7mzc53z/P_61_B_Skin.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/bu7mzc53v/full/)
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow Franken [4.10]
Post by: Ta183Huckebein on September 12, 2015, 09:17:08 AM
Why don't you try this one:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,19033.0.html

They work perfectly in 4.12