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Special Aircraft Service
Individual Mods and Packs for IL-2 1946 => Aircraft => Italian_Singles => Topic started by: Dreamk on December 23, 2011, 02:01:05 AM
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To conclude this special week - and till another one soon :) another plane is taking off under Spanish skies (and other too as some of the versions included here like Turret M Ba65 never served in Spain).
(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img804/2325/ba65hit2.gif)
(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img37/576/ba65bhit5.gif)
(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img703/5476/ba65t1.jpg)
3dModel and Java Files: Dreamk
The default skin is mine (and I'm really not a good skinner) - Nashprod has been ill these last days, so skins will need to wait till is he feeling better - we all wish him all the best and to return fast to full health
Download at:
http://ifolder.ru/27880535
or
https://www.mediafire.com/?ym7wimyc61uh6q2
(updated 29/12/11 - All the updates are now included in this main download)
7 versions are included: Ba65 K14 monoposto, biposto, Arcone L and Turret M, Ba65 A80 monoposto, Arcone L and Turret M
In order to add the 7 aircraft, add to the air.ini file:
Ba65A80ArconeL air.Ba65AA NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14ArconeL air.Ba65AK NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65A80TurretM air.Ba65TA NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14TurretM air.Ba65TK NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65A80Monoplace air.Ba65AM NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14Monoplace air.Ba65KM NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14BiplaceEarly air.Ba65KB NOINFO i01 SUMMER
if you want, you can after that add to the plane_ru.properties file the following lines:
Ba65K14ArconeL Breda 65 K14 Arcone L, 1936
Ba65A80ArconeL Breda 65 A80 Arcone L, 1936
Ba65K14TurretM Breda 65 K14 Turreta M, 1936
Ba65A80TurretM Breda 65 A80 Turreta M, 1937
Ba65A80Monoplace Breda 65 A80 Monoposto, 1937
Ba65K14Monoplace Breda 65 K14 Monoposto, 1936
Ba65K14BiplaceEarly Breda 65 K14 Biposto, 1936
The mod is a 4.10 one and uses DiffM
As always cockpit specialists and FM gurus are wellcome to try their hand at improving this plane - no need to ask permisison for that.
I hope to have now eliminated all the bugs but the problem of "solitary modding" is that one does't always pay attention to minor bugs
There are also 2 minor 3D mistakes that I will correct only after I get adequate documentation - the Turret M seems to have been asymetrical and not symetrical - I received just yesterday a photo of such a turret but on a Ba 65 prototype - I need still to check what was exactly its shape on the K14 and A80. Similarly the A80 Arcone seems to have been equiped more frequently with an Arcone O than wity an Arcone L, with the gunner seated and not standing and the gun base position raised so as to enable to rear part of the gunner position to be covered by a metallic sheet. I began all these mod by following the material in the Ali d'Italia Ba65 book - a lavish book, high printing quality - but a lousy source of badly refurbished information - till I put a hand on an old article in Aerofan on the Ba65A80 and on part of the original "catologo nomenclature" of the Ba65A80 Arcone.
If someone has a copy of the "Ba65 e aviazione d'assalto" or of the original italian manuals "catologo" or "instruzioni" for the various plane - I'd appreciate a scan of the pages dealing with these tureets and the adjacent fuselage section.
The canopy struts also seem to have been a little less heavy than previously thought - I will probably update them soon, and then introduce also the slight variation often seen in the moving blister foreward struts.
Ba65 Take off instructions:
This plane was nose heavy with bad forward view from the cockpit and a relatively low power engine. This made often take off and landing with these planes a quite interesting experience - to say the least - On the K14 there was more torque than on the A80.
The aircraft was very heavy and with full load it was difficult to take off and quite difficult to climb. I have tried to model all these:
Once again, taking off from concrete runways is easier than from grass lanstrips. Try to learn from the the AI taking off.
Open the cockpit before taking off, you'll get a better view and it will be easier to take off.
To take off push your throttle slowly till 40% - if you push too fast or too high you'll find yourself on your nose. Let your aircraft run and take speed, increasing the throttle progressively. Correct the torque effects on the rudder and by pushing the stick slightly forward and towards right. Your plane will take off by itself after a suitable run - for a fully loaded turreted Ba65 or even a fully loaded Arcone L Ba65 you'll need the full length of runway and sometimes may be even more if the runway is short (or to take off with a reduced bombload, as in historic reality).
In air trim your plane adequately. remember, that the plane was intended to be a level bomber, a reco plane and an heavy fighter. And without bomb it can really act as a fighter. But as a fully loaded bomber it lacks engine power.
Look at the AI piloted aircraft to learn about the abilities and limitations of the various versions.
If you have a bombdoors mode that you need to activate, remeber that you need to open the bombay doors before bombing.
The dive bombing was an experiment in Spain with installation of underwings bomb racks (due to the structure of the bomb bays you cannot used the internal bombload in dive bombing).
The mod includes more historically correct Italian ordnance and a tentative to improve the existing Spezzionera - Now that at last I have got the original documentation for the various kinds of Spezzoniere, it's obvious that more work still needs to be done (3d and Java) till, we have real Spezzionere in Il2 - but this will need first some thinking about how to do it.
One last word:
This mod has its own story - the initial idea was to import the wonderful Ba65a80 created by Manuele Villa for FS2004/FSX - Manuele very kindly gave me his formal agreement to do that - however when looking at Manuele's model, I let myself being misled by info spread by "some well known source" to think that this model was beyond Il2 limitations and requirements.
I know now that it was a mistake - I could have imported it (and may be I'll do it at some point as a "high quality upgrade") - Lesson: in Il2 modding, never trust people who tell you "don't" till you don't check by yourself.
I went then to check whether I could import the freeware William Dickens' older FS2004 model - but his model had 3d problems and at the end of the day it was easier to create from scratch, and in the same run then add the other versions that never have been yet modelled. However their models was an inspiration and I used them all along as a 3d reference to check each of my steps. It was an invaluable help.and they deserve credits.
This package is freeware.
This software may be freely used, copied and distributed with the following restrictions:
1) The 2 readme files document must be included in any redistribution.
2) DO NOT place these files anywhere that requires a fee for downloading.
3) DO NOT place any of these files in any commercial package or any CD collection without the authors consent.
Theses files should not cause any problems with your computer, but we accept no responsibility if you think it does.
Thanks to Oleg Maddox and Qtim for creating Il2 and opening the gates to Mod creation, to Kumpel for his matrix tool, and thanks to SAS for enabling modders to share their knowledge on Il2 modding.
Create!
Enjoy
Update log
First update 25/12/11- it appears that in most cases the bombs appeared as US bombs instead of Italian bombs - Here are the corrected java classes for the 7 planes, enabling to display the correct ordnance
If you have downloaded the Ba65 before the 25/12/11, copy the files contained in this archive in your Ba65 directory, they will crush the former classes.
Ba65_Update1.rar
https://www.mediafire.com/?oj6qm9823eng08e
or
http://ifolder.ru/27796262
Update Number 2
The Ba65 A80 versions have now front edge slats, as was historically the case, activated together with the flaps.
Copy the files (meshes, him and java files) to your Ba65 directory (respecting the files locations present in the archive) Ba65_Update2.rar:
http://ifolder.ru/27830454
or
https://www.mediafire.com/?d911rko89rr3o6m
3dfix 27/12/11
Corrected Mgun hooks entry on the new wing file
Put these corrected Mesh files in your Ba65/3do/plane/ba65 folder
http://ifolder.ru/27858495
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super
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Nice planes. Thank you. :)
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My goodness. What a series! This plane must have been one that I have often looked at in aviation books and thought: this is such an ugly looking ungainly design that it must be a wonderful aircraft to have in Il-2 ... I remember an old hack made for this aircraft from the R-10, but it never really did much in the way of looks. This rendition is more like it.
So many thanks ... the Condor Legion and the Nationalist Insurgents have really won the Loteria de Navidad this year ... and Il-2 players as well ... in fact when there is a void or template available I'll see about making some skins for the loyal government air force as well ... surely they must have captured a few.
In any case, many thanks. I have an upcoming total retexure of the Aragon map finished soon, so the plane will have some good-looking landscapes to fly over.
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A new era for SCW enthusiasts! Comrades, no pasaran!!!! (historical comment not - necessarily - political! ;))
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Note that the A80 dow not include the leading edge wing slats (yes I forgot to export them and include them in the Java, although they are ready - I will add them in a short while).
Agracier, in the meantime you can find some use of that:
Ba65 Temporary Template (line and rivets).bmp
https://www.mediafire.com/?ozq4lgbg29bmz05
or
http://ifolder.ru/27769259
(a work skin I made from a 4views plan as a basis to ckeck up alignements.)
and of this
SCW Ba65 Insignia.png
https://www.mediafire.com/?xli332cvieq4f1t
or
http://ifolder.ru/27769263
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An unexpected present!!!
Thanks a lot mate!!!
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What the hell happened! in a weeks time more then 10 new rare planes! Fantastic!
Thanks every one involved!
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What the hell happened! in a weeks time more then 10 new rare planes! Fantastic!
Thanks every one involved!
I think everyone has been saving their mods for Christmas time ... making this time of year into a Big Bang of Mods. And don't let on I said so, but if you are a fan of rare and obscure, but special looking planes, the Holiday season is not yet over. I bet you will be getting more than you ever expected.
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(http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad32/finno2/il2fb2011-12-2313-59-07-03.jpg)
Love it , my new favorite, I love to try surviving in these underdog two crewe attack planes. Before my R-10 was favorite now this.
One thing thow, It feels a bit to llight , should it not be heavy to manouver in, only a heads up
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As a matter of fact teh palne was designed as a fighter with all the classical Italian thinking about emphasis on acrobatic abilities - and if limited to this role it could have been a success without the teething troubles of the FiatA80 engine. The problem was that teh Regia wanted to have fighter-reco-level bomber-dive bomber-and what else..." aircraft - Just try to take off withh a fully loaded Arcone L (full Spezzoniere - the heaviest load) you'll understand what Italian pilots in Cyrenaica spoke about.....
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I've already flown some nice test missions with it and as an opponent the mono-place version is nimble and agile, a really exacting opponent ... which makes it ever so much fun to fly against ... the old R-10 which often stood in for Breda's in the old days, hardly did much more than fly level and straight and then maybe break off in a port of starboard dive for a while and then continue back straight and level ... not very exciting or demanding to shoot down.
But these new models ... top notch evasive action ... great stuff
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The nosing over in take-off feels a bit odd for me, did this plane do that in RL?
Anyway, in game the nosing over happens because the center of this plane is significantly below the plane and thus engine tries to rotate the nose down when pushing above center. If you don't want to nose over in take-off with full power, just download and install the attached fix.
I also fixed a bug with some versions left as invisible fireballs bouncing around when they should explode. This happened because [CF_D0] was renamed to something else in hier.him and thus broke reference to it in java code. When you want to change the name of some mesh, just change the name in Mesh line. I also repositioned aiming POV to make the gunsight usable, but bead is still missing.
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WoW! Another great surprise ! Thank you for your work !!!!!
:)
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ops...CTD in QMB just when mission is loaded. Tested in UP3 RC4. Is it compatible with diff_fm for UP3 ?
I tested it with both diff_fm availables for UP3 (@edit: Dead link removed and https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,12169.0.html ) but crashed anyway-
however, great mod! ;)
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Wow! So many neat planes for the holidays! Thank you!
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Questo e incredibile. Io sonno sense parole!! :o
Now seriously: Woooooaaaahhhh
Those republican bridges over river Ebro are in real danger now. I love how it slides to its side when turning for dive bombing.
I was already thinking to ask a splitting of SCW for DBW 1.7, but now, with so many sudden additions, I believe It's more justified than ever to create a DBW1936.
We have so many good aircraft for this period that I created a copy of DBW deleting from air.ini all lines for jets and WWII and the correspondant folders in skins, to have an easier list to scroll down when playing SCW and making skins, etc. Now, I think this is starting to need an official split, even though some WWI planes could be still used in SCW.
Well, again WOOOOOAAAAHHHH!!!
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ops...CTD in QMB just when mission is loaded. Tested in UP3 RC4. Is it compatible with diff_fm for UP3 ?
I tested it with both diff_fm availables for UP3 (@edit: Dead link removed and https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,12169.0.html ) but crashed anyway-
however, great mod! ;)
In DBW 1.6 is unstable. I thought it's because I put too many planes in it, but after a hefty reduction of ini entries (e.g. all the japanese planes were gone and 80% of the soviet - virtually everything expect policarpovs) the crashes continued as usual.I am going to try to reduce the file to just one entry, I am thinking to retain only the K14 monoposto.
Check this out is a book for the Ba.65 from Ali d'italia.
https://www.mediafire.com/?rzma3mwtkom
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ops...CTD in QMB just when mission is loaded. Tested in UP3 RC4. Is it compatible with diff_fm for UP3 ?
If you can load the game, and get into your QMB or FMB ... but if the game then crashes just as the mission is loaded at 100% and you see a glimpse of the cockpit, that may mean that you have too many modded planes added to the game.
It happens to members who cannot resist a new plane. But in DBW there is apparently a limit.
Try loading the plane in the QMB, but not as your own plane, but as an ai ... see if the mission will load and play. If so, then you may be hitting the mod plane limit.
You can always comment out // air.ini entries for planes you do not use or plan on using in the upcoming session. If you do this for stock planes, then you must also comment out the corresponding entries for those planes in the stationary.ini ...
This has helped me out but it is however impossible to have all modded new planes in the game at once. You'll have to make choices ...
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Hmm...I'm getting a CTD at 70%, I have DBW1.3 do I need to download a new diff_fm or anything?
**Just quick update, it works with just the first entry added but when I add the other breda entries to air.ini it still crashes. Oh well still one cool new plane I didn't have before!
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@ FANATIC MODDER & Agracier
Thank you for answer, mates! In UP3 I have only a dozen of new planes...after the Ba65 I just installed the Ro37 , the Pavas and the PSW10 and they work perfectly. I rather suspect a conflict somewhere. Oh, well, it doesn't matter, it's the usual stumble of modding :P
merry Xmas to all ! 8)
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Oh man, DreamK You really made my year with this plane . Many thanks.
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Dreamk you are my hero! Another Italian plane! Many Thanks!
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Finaly a proper Ba65, thanks
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Gratefully and happy make a headsup for a bug, hope you do not mind
(http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad32/finno2/il2fb2011-12-2320-49-20-94.jpg)
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DreamK! You are THE MAN! Thanks for this and your other SCW aircraft!!! :D :D :D
Amazing, simply amazing!
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Yeah ! Like it very much ! I also saw the damage bug LeOne mentions above, but I am happy to see this so special plane in the game !
On my side, I have 1 question : what to put in the plane.properties file ?
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On my side, I have 1 question : what to put in the plane.properties file ?
Always the first part of the air ini, then a space and the name you want to give it, whatever you want.
Example : Ba65A80ArconeL Ba 65, 1935
(Dunno the real date, was just approx.)
Merry Christmas ;)
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Darn it I really want these birds CTD70% in DBW 1.6, DBW 1.5, HSFX5.1. 60% CTD in UP3RC4.All have Diff mod.Kinda surprised, most mods will take in at least one of these packs.Thanks anyway.
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LeOne thanks! I think I just forgot to include suitable "cap" meshes - I'll do that for the coming update, together with the slats of the A80 and the corrected asymetric M turret (got a pic of it at last!) - it won't take much time.
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Birdman Hi! Yes, the "nosing over" was a characteristic problem of this plane - it was so nose heavy that on the monopost version it was forbidden to empty the central fuel tank (situated behind the COG of the plane) and if due to circumstances pilots had to use all their fuel and not maintain at least a reserve of 115 liters (on a total of 650 liters) to land without flaps (or to crash if putting the flaps....)!
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Birdman Hi! Yes, the "nosing over" was a characteristic problem of this plane - it was so nose heavy that on the monopost version it was forbidden to empty the central fuel tank (situated behind the COG of the plane) and if due to circumstances pilots had to use all their fuel and not maintain at least a reserve of 115 liters (on a total of 650 liters) to land without flaps (or to crash if putting the flaps....)!
OK, then the right way to make this plane nose heavy on ground is to adjust the GC_Gear_Shift parameter in FM with my 3d height fix. A proper value for it (makes the plane almost nose over) still lets you take off normally, but in landing you'll have to be really careful with brakes. You can also try the other GC parameters in FM to get this plane properly nose heavy in flight and with flaps, and in some modded planes you'll also find code that changes GC based on amount of fuel to simulate that fuel tank problem.
You can also easily fix that damage bug with gears and bomb racks floating in air with broken wing. Just use midwing as their parent instead of inner wing and they'll detach correctly. Then main wheels and prop turn in wrong direction, for main wheels the fix is just to rotate the wheel meshes 180 deg in 3dsmax or hier.him.
Did this plane really break apart already at 440 km/h just a bit above top speed in slight dive?
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Ok - you're right I'll give a run at the FM to see what can be done to improve that behavior.
the GC_Flaps_Shift is the relevant entry, and presently it is at 0.1. I'll try to increase it and see what happen. However, the aircraft was always nose heavy, not only at landing - so the real solution is probably a mix of gc parameters and cog forward positioning, as presently, just with some slight adjustement of both.
If I remember well the only mod with COG changing due to fuel quantity was the F51D by Josse, but there the problem was the opposite - instability at take off. Do you happen to know what are the "rules" of the GC parameters? or do we need yet to experiment and discover them?
Concerning top speed limit - I must probably raise that and quite probably raise the [Toughness] entries - Italian monoplanes were sturdy, not like their biplanes. I rememember having read something about desintegrating speed limit of the Ba65 in dive - I will check my doc.
Prop rotation for the Ba65 is another full issue - as a matter of fact each version (K14 and A80) rotated in a different direction - I have now the correct original historical data for the engines and the planes (you cannot imagine the profusion of false performances data existing for this plane and its engines!!!) and the next update will probably include a revision of the EM and FM - though it will probably not bring some dramatic change, except possibly for take off behaviour.
However the whole issue of the emd for the Gnome-Rhone engine family needs to be adressed once for all in Il2 - it's quite crazy to see engines who are license version (not copies but license versions) with widely different emd parameters - it's still more interesting to see some license versions becoming "inline" engines (see the IAR series!). This is true for the 14K family and for the 9K family as well.
BTW difefrences between original, license and copies are quite interesting by themselves - In Italy license produced engines were often superior to the French original while the "improved" copies were a failure . In the Soviet Union the situation was inverted - the licensed versions were of low quality to say the least but the "improved" copies were really improvements! In Japan license were quite good and copies were real improvement under the weight constraints of Japanese planes. Hungarian license produced Gnome and Rhone were quite smooth and good.
One last thing - this plane model was built with the aim of being "nose heavy" so one need to be very careful when changing the position of this COG, as its position has an intimate relation with the behaviour of the gears hooks enabling the plane to stand correctly on the ground (without bouncing, crashing, sinking, having the tailwheel madly rotating and other Il2 typical charming fantaisies that are modders weel known nightmares to solve). As always, it's a question of improvements vs impairements balance.
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Badderger hi! 60% CTD in UP3RC4. means that you have a conflict ini file entries vs FM
Check that:
1) you have put your Ba65 mod folder inside the #UP# folder
2) that in this same folder you have a DiffFM_for_UP30 forlder containing your UP3.0 specific Diffm java file (294ABC86A89FAEB4)
3) that you have a air.ini file in your \#UP#\STD\com\maddox\il2\objects folder
4) that you have correctly entered all the 7 additions to this air.ini and saved it
Good luck
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Sorry it's more than that. I spent about a couple of hours to try this plane working and I was not able to. There must be a conflict somewhere.
Congratulations for the huge amount of work that you gave to us in a such a short time. All the new planes are great.
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mmmm......let's see....Check if you have in your Ba65 folder 24 java hashed files 8 somethinghashed_FM file and 2 somethinghashed_EM files - maybe you have an incomplete installation - I have it running on a UP30RC40. It may be worth to download once again the whole archive.
If thsi does not work, this link maybe will help you to identify the source of the problem (begin always by the 60% error and by UP30 - the DBW installations are often troublesome to manage)
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,22.msg28.html#msg28
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Thank you I 'll check it out but not now because it's Christmas don't expect an answer before Tuesday.
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deleted old P61 version, the very first, and now it works...Il2 is strange as usual ;)
(http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu357/Ectoflyer/Ba65.jpg)
great plane, thank you! :)
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deleted old P61 version, the very first, and now it works...Il2 is strange as usual ;)
What do you mean the oldP61 version? ... could you explain which plane or line you are talking about. cause i can us this plane as an AI, but cannot fly it as a pilot without getting a crash as soon as the mission is loaded ... i'd really like to get into the pilot's seat.
I've even tried with a clean air.ini and adding only this plane, but the results are the same. Cannot fly it as pilot.
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What do you mean the oldP61 version?
Still had the beta. Read PM
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This is a tough one. I first deleted my P-61 entry in the air.ini I made 2 days ago, that does without all the japanese and most of the soviet planes and all 7 worked without any fault. Again and again, no crash. But then I tried it on my full europe air.ini, minus the P-61, and it crashed again as usual. I then deleted all the extra russian planes I added myself, and the crashes continued as before. I finally deleted ALL yaks, remained with only 2 Ba.65 versions (K.74 monoposto and arconel if that matters) again crashes...Now please, but PLEASE I don't want to hear that I may reached the ultra-cursed java memory limit because I don't know how I can run all these Yaks like the (early style canopy) Yak-1PF and the Yak-9DD etc. with any problems and Ba.65 crashes.
And my experience says at the end that what is "4.09 only" and what is not, is very relative. I can run Yak-9DDs, P-39N field mods, Hurricane "sunsguns", Fw 190A-8/9 1.65 atm, Avia 534 series III etc. without any fault, if that says something to you...
An idea is that dreamk works with a SAS modactivator and the plane somehow conflicts with something that exists only in UP3.0 and/or DBW 1.6.
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An idea is that dreamk works with a SAS modactivator and the plane somehow conflicts with something that exists only in UP3.0 and/or DBW 1.6.
I think you are correct in that. I finally got the Ba65 and Ro37 for that matter to work as a flyable plane in ModAct ... even with a clean and default air.ini for DBW with only the Ba65, it was still not possible to get it flyable as pilot.
So yes, I think your deduction is correct.
So now I guess i will make ModAct my SCW version of Il-2 ... that is also a way to go, cause these new planes, Ba65, Ro37 and He46 are all little gems ... great stuff.
I suppose that by and by someone will figure out the DBW conflict ....
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WHERE did that nice Italian skin come from??? :o :o :o
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NOTICE---re previous posts of 60% and 70% CTD in failed installations---PROBLEM SOLVED---I am a bit embarassed---I did not copy the air.ini files correctly! As a text file was not provided, I copied the air .ini entries by hand as provided in the first post. IN every one of the 7 entries I forgot the dot(.) after the "air"---example
INCORRECT ENTRY>>>
Ba65A80ArconeL airBa65AA NOINFO i01 SUMMER CORRECT ENTRY>>>>
Ba65A80ArconeL air.Ba65AA NOINFO i01 SUMMER
mistake ^
So, DreamK you were correct that it had to be one of three things and this was the one.I am very happy to have this bird as it fits in nice with SCW missions which are becoming very popular lately. I believe the attraction to the Spanish Civil War is that it holds good middle ground above WW1 crafts and leads naturally into the outbreak of WW2. This allows the player a chance to test planes and situations that were unique only to that era.
Again best holiday wishes and Gratitude for your fine efforts.
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I think I have isolated the culprit for not being able to fly the Ba65 as pilot. I had it installed in ModAct and all went well. I could fly as pilot and finish a whole mission.
But then when doing a bit of updating in ModAct I imported the Platinum Effects mod, latest version, the Ba65 was no longer flyable and the mission crashed upon loading. remove Plat Ef and all went well again. Ba65 is flyable. I tried disabling the Platinum Effects in DBW and when disabled, the Ba65 is flyable in DBW as well ...
So it seems to me that the Platinum Effects Mod has some kind of (obscure) conflict with the Ba65 and Ro37 and He46 as well ... I wouldn't know how that could be, but it is what I experienced in both ModAct and DBW 1.6.
Maybe this can help someone see what the conflict is in specific terms? I'd hate to give up Platinum Effects since it is the ultimate in effects mods ...
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guys is somewhere to download a template or a void?
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For a real template you'll need yet to wait for a few days - Nashprod has been ill these last days and couldn't finish it.
In the meantime you can find some use of that:
Ba65 Temporary Template (line and rivets).bmp
https://www.mediafire.com/?ozq4lgbg29bmz05
or
http://ifolder.ru/27769259
(a work skin I made from a 4views plan as a basis to ckeck up alignements.)
Time has also arrived for the first update - it appears that in most cases the bombs appeared as US bombs instead of Italian bombs - Here are the corrected java classes for the 7 planes, enable to display the correct ordnance
just copy them in your Ba65 directory they will crush the former classes.
Ba65_Update1.rar
https://www.mediafire.com/?oj6qm9823eng08e
or
http://ifolder.ru/27796262
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Really nice plane, thanks for making it :)
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I think I have isolated the culprit for not being able to fly the Ba65 as pilot. I had it installed in ModAct and all went well. I could fly as pilot and finish a whole mission.
But then when doing a bit of updating in ModAct I imported the Platinum Effects mod, latest version, the Ba65 was no longer flyable and the mission crashed upon loading. remove Plat Ef and all went well again. Ba65 is flyable. I tried disabling the Platinum Effects in DBW and when disabled, the Ba65 is flyable in DBW as well ...
So it seems to me that the Platinum Effects Mod has some kind of (obscure) conflict with the Ba65 and Ro37 and He46 as well ... I wouldn't know how that could be, but it is what I experienced in both ModAct and DBW 1.6.
Maybe this can help someone see what the conflict is in specific terms? I'd hate to give up Platinum Effects since it is the ultimate in effects mods ...
I tried the Bredas for another couple of hours. My results are:
- The confict with the P-61 is absolute.
- No definitive results about the platinum effect. I don't believe that the platinum effect is a problem by itself...the problem is that the bredas are an extraordinary 'heavy' installation!
I had to unistall loads of extra planes and when I am saying loads, I mean LOADs, basically everything non-stock (non 4.101, even all the extras that UP3.0 provides, that means e.g. all zeros!) from the soviet and japanese list and many from other countries too, that is more that 40 entries (at least, I cannot say exactly because i was keep changing the air.ini trying to find the conflict plane!). Everything from Ki-43-IIIs to IARs (these fantastic additions from Frankiek that nobody seems to care about!) to anything that had a G-R engine or a derivative of it was targeted as a possible conflict plane...nothing. The result was one and only: When I was keep reducing planes, there was one point that suddendly the bredas became trouble-free. I think here there is the relation with the platinum effects, and I 've seen that even without the small FX effects it was a bit better.
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This is interesting - I have a feeling that the problem is not so much the Platinium effects as the overall number of Java files - when not using SFS archives but loading "mods" from the folder, all the java files in the folder are loaded - both platinium mod and the Ba 65s have a large number of java files (14 for the Ba65, 79 for the platinium effects) - I made a "vanillia" installation of the UP30RC4 and added the He46, the Ro37bis and the Ba65 a couple of other planes (15 java files in all) then the platinium effects v2 for up30 - all went fine and smooth - so the platinium mod is not a cause of conflict by itself (meaning the conflict is not between java files) but the Il2 engine may crash with an overload of java - thus the use of SFS archives.
Having said this on my 410 with modact installation I have in my mod folder a total of 606 java files (half of that being he skyraiders and 1956jetwar updates) and with 3 GB of Ram it runs quite smoothly....
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Dumb question. But what is "DiffM"? Will this aircraft work in DBW updated to 1.6?
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DiffM:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,12169.msg127991.html#msg127991
Wether tehse planes it will work in DBW1.6? same as other mods that you introduce there - if you already have a "heavy" mod folder and not too much RAM you may have a problem, if not it will probably go smooth.
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Please tell your modeler that the profile of the wing on top is convex, not flat. Thank you.
(http://s007.radikal.ru/i302/1112/01/7602af3c635a.jpg)
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WHERE did that nice Italian skin come from??? :o :o :o
only a very fast skin I made for some of my old missions; if you want use it waiting the work of real skinners:
https://www.mediafire.com/?329170pzgb1cq5u
bye! :)
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It does work in DBW 1.6. I hadn't any trouble from the start. The only thing is that I installed it in my SCW copy, where I only have another 15 extra mods by now.
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Any chance to getting a 4.09 version?
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The second update is here - the Ba65 A80 versions have front edge slats as was historically the case, activated together with the flaps.
(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img7/4610/ba65slats.gif)
Just copy all the files (meshes, hier.him and java files) contained in this archive (respecting of course the folder locations existing in the archive)
Ba65_update2.rar:
http://ifolder.ru/27830454
or
https://www.mediafire.com/?d911rko89rr3o6m
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Do it work properly on HSFX5.0.1? Tried to put it on my game, put the Diffm on the MODS folder (SAS MODact), it showed up on the plane selection screen. Then i hit fly, the game crash at 30% (Loading aircraft). Any tip on how to solve this issue?
Edit - This problem may be related to diffm, not the plane. I removed the plane, but let the diffm in the folder. Had same issue.
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Do it work properly on HSFX5.0.1? Tried to put it on my game, put the Diffm on the MODS folder (SAS MODact), it showed up on the plane selection screen. Then i hit fly, the game crash at 30% (Loading aircraft). Any tip on how to solve this issue?
Edit - This problem may be related to diffm, not the plane. I removed the plane, but let the diffm in the folder. Had same issue.
I work in HSFX I can send you my version
for HSFX
http://www.uloz.to/12032050/ba65-fm-em-rar
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Any chance to getting a 4.09 version?
+1
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+1... :P
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Do it work properly on HSFX5.0.1? Tried to put it on my game, put the Diffm on the MODS folder (SAS MODact), it showed up on the plane selection screen. Then i hit fly, the game crash at 30% (Loading aircraft). Any tip on how to solve this issue?
Edit - This problem may be related to diffm, not the plane. I removed the plane, but let the diffm in the folder. Had same issue.
I work in HSFX I can send you my version
for HSFX
http://www.uloz.to/12032050/ba65-fm-em-rar
Thx archie, i'm going to try it now!!!
Edit: nope, didn't worked... :(
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Do it work properly on HSFX5.0.1? Tried to put it on my game, put the Diffm on the MODS folder (SAS MODact), it showed up on the plane selection screen. Then i hit fly, the game crash at 30% (Loading aircraft). Any tip on how to solve this issue?
Edit - This problem may be related to diffm, not the plane. I removed the plane, but let the diffm in the folder. Had same issue.
I work in HSFX I can send you my version
for HSFX
http://www.uloz.to/12032050/ba65-fm-em-rar
Thx archie, i'm going to try it now!!!
Edit: nope, didn't worked... :(
I use what I sent in fm hsfx no problem. must be a problem in something else
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Hi the mediafire link doesn't work, and the ifolder.ru site requests payment before it will let you download.
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Mediafire servers have problems at high utilization hours - just retry at a later time.
For ifolder.ru they are free - just enter the 4 digits number that appears on the ifolde.ru page (the anti-spam scrambled colored numbers on a white background) in the box under these numbers and you'll get to the download screen. There press on c?????? (right down the screen)
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Do it work properly on HSFX5.0.1? Tried to put it on my game, put the Diffm on the MODS folder (SAS MODact), it showed up on the plane selection screen. Then i hit fly, the game crash at 30% (Loading aircraft). Any tip on how to solve this issue?
Edit - This problem may be related to diffm, not the plane. I removed the plane, but let the diffm in the folder. Had same issue.
I work in HSFX I can send you my version
for HSFX
http://www.uloz.to/12032050/ba65-fm-em-rar
Thx archie, i'm going to try it now!!!
Edit: nope, didn't worked... :(
I use what I sent in fm hsfx no problem. must be a problem in something else
You use with Diffm Mod? If yes, can you send me your diffm, maybe problem is with the one i got on site.
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Three skins for this fighter-bomber model used by the Spanish Civil War until the end of 1942 in North Africa, nice flights to all interested ..
https://www.mediafire.com/download.php?kmjr0h31f160cqn
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/stanislao_2009/Immagine3-1.jpg)
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/stanislao_2009/Immagine2-1.jpg)
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/stanislao_2009/Immagine-2.jpg)
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Nice skins for a very colorful aircraft. Would I be wrong in surmising that with these skins there is now a template for the Ba65?
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Great skins! Thank you stanislao!
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Great skins, many thanks! 8)
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Super, thanks for the skins!
I don't want to be another "gimme,gimme,gimme" type here, grateful for what we have been given, but this could be an inspiration for another Breda skin:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/Poltava/iraqi_breda_ba65.jpg)
The Breda Ba.65 was actually used by the Iraqi airforce during the fighting in 1941.
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Perhaps I am doing something incorrectly when installing, but after adding the front edge slats, the gun flashes now appear below the wings, literally in mid-air. I installed the current version of the aircraft available in the original post, then added the slats update (Update Number 2). The end result is a plane that flies perfectly well with appropriate ordinance, but with the gun flashes are incorrectly located. Am I messing something up here? Thanks for any guidance.
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My mistake - I forgot to edit the Mgun hooks entry on the new wing file
Here's the fix - pour these corrected Mesh files in your Ba65/3do/plane/ba65 folder
http://ifolder.ru/27858495
(I'll post later a link on mediafire - if Mediafire let me upload - a lot of problems on mediafire lately)
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Has still noticed a strange thing. At falling of the padded plane on the earth they aren't destroyed! That is all blows up burns but... The Plane remains not ???????????. And not ?????????????? as ???????????. And with model of damages that that not that. Similar that it in general isn't present. Simply the plane lights up at any hit.
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Thanks, Dreamk... but I fear you will have to upload at Mediafire too : I find no download button on ifolder.ru, which means I can't download this little update... and I think I am not the opnly one !
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After 20 minutes of fight with a ton of advertising! :-X
autor new link, see first post !
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Merci Gabriel! (and DreamK)
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Epervier Thanks! the new year season is apparently traumatic for free upload servers!
For ifolder the proble is...that the instructions are in Russian. I hope this will help somehow:
For ifolder.ru - Enter the 4 digits number that appears on the ifolde.ru page (the anti-spam scrambled colored numbers on a white background) in the box under these numbers and you'll get to the download screen. There press on the word in Cyrillic looking like CKAJAT (right down the screen - sorry but SAS forum softwares apparently does not enable use of cyrillic letters)
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Samurai Hi!
Concerning damage model, it is quite present and fully integrated - the problem is in the FM file - the plane is defined there with high vulnerability, similar to the Italian biplanes of the period. The final FM update will include all the corrections of the feedback I will receive - constructive feedback is very important in modding!
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Has forgotten to specify. Planes aren't destroyed if they are steered by the computer. Under control of the player all is normal.
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Thanks for the fix!!!
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Well also excuse certainly in advance, but also 3D model too too the slanting. Especially the chassis both in combined and in the taken out position. It is a lot of roughnesses of holes. Prompt as here to attach pictures to messages and I will show more in detail.
Ro-37 bis it has much better turned out. 3D model at least. :)
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Thanks for the gun correction.
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Samurai Hi!
The 3dmodel has a long story - if you pay attention to the main fuselage meshes of the various versions, you'll discover that they are all different - I had a lot of problems first with the source documents - I made a mistake of using the Ali d'italia Ba65 booklet as a reference - it is full of contradictions and had quiet a number of mistakes. It was mostly difficult for the arcone L and the biposto versions, where the contradictions between photos and plans were sometimes flagrant. Then I had to compromise in order to be able to ue the macximum of common parts for all the versions. As a matter of fact I worked on these models well before the Ro37 (this last model beneficiated from the experience painfully acquired on the Ba65) and other models since created (but not yet exported :D) of increasing complexity. When I made the Ba65 models, I used mainly boolean cutting - with all its problems - since then I discovered how to use correctly the procutter function of 3dmax - much better than boolean cut and even than the proboolean cut but very "touchy". Yes, there is place to improve the forward fuselage - happily skinning generally compensate these defaults - so let's wait first till Nashprod is in better health for his skins and template. :)
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Thanks a bunch.
For some reason I have always hoped that one day the Ba.65 would make it into Il-2
Even weirder:
Now the plane works (thought it has no workable gunsight) but Il2 crashes when I leave the QMB.
Weird.
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The Ba65 gunsight is a story in itself - a very primitive gunsight was originally mounted (a simple vertical metal tube with a very small "eye" at the top and to aim the pilot use this together with the cockpit frames - BTW it was the same thing in the chato where the gunsight was used only for the shooting itself after the aiming has been done by framing the target between windshield frame and the inverted V of the upper wings. From photo evidence, it seems that it Spain at least one of the Ba65 was equipped with a reflex visor (San Giorgio? or a Revi taken from a He51?)
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Ba65A80TurretM
Inside view on BA 65 80 Turret Only this got it
(http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad32/finno2/il2fb2011-12-2901-34-05-34.jpg)
(http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad32/finno2/il2fb2011-12-2901-34-02-21.jpg)
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You have probably installed Birdman's fix, and if incorrectly done this will change of the center of gravity of the plane but not of the cockpit - Easiest thing is to reinstall the original Ba65 files.
Birdman's fix is a great addition to the He46 and is a must for this plane, but for the Ba65 it is more a question of personal preference.
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Samurai Hi!
The 3dmodel has a long story - if you pay attention to the main fuselage meshes of the various versions, you'll discover that they are all different - I had a lot of problems first with the source documents - I made a mistake of using the Ali d'italia Ba65 booklet as a reference - it is full of contradictions and had quiet a number of mistakes. It was mostly difficult for the arcone L and the biposto versions, where the contradictions between photos and plans were sometimes flagrant. Then I had to compromise in order to be able to ue the macximum of common parts for all the versions. As a matter of fact I worked on these models well before the Ro37 (this last model beneficiated from the experience painfully acquired on the Ba65) and other models since created (but not yet exported :D) of increasing complexity. When I made the Ba65 models, I used mainly boolean cutting - with all its problems - since then I discovered how to use correctly the procutter function of 3dmax - much better than boolean cut and even than the proboolean cut but very "touchy". Yes, there is place to improve the forward fuselage - happily skinning generally compensate these defaults - so let's wait first till Nashprod is in better health for his skins and template. :)
Well to put it briefly, I so have understood, here still to saw and saw? :)
And here by the way still. Not clear thing. I only ????? have noticed. On all Italian bombers at me why that, rear arrows tower, shoot always by! That is even at level of skill the expert to a thrust block don't get. I ??????? thought when tested Ro37 that it only on it so. On it even from course machine guns, under control of the computer, don't get! And rear too ?????????????. And has then looked and isn't present! Arrows all in general Italian smear. From what it can be? They ?????? shoot as though purposely that ????????? at other party in general!
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Oh yes, we'll get more improvements done, as we get more feed-backs from players.
About the behaviour that you describe, it seems that you are confronted to one of these typical Il2 annoyances - just as a curiosity, is the chat you hear in your plane in Italian? You must always arrange your Il2 settings (in QMB/FMB) to ensure that the new plane is really recognized as Italian (or Spanish) by the Italian (or Spanish) AI w- if not the AA tower will shot at you went you take off and your turret gunner will keep shooting at friendly targets! It happens quite often with new aircraft, not only the Ba65. I do not understand why it is not automatic (as the country is specified in the Java file and the air.ini file) but Il2 engine seems to need to "learn it".
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Hi, thanks for this plane. I've got it working in DBW 1.6. [Earlier, I did a couple of missions using the R-10 as a stand in. ]There is only one hitch. I can only select the default skin in FMB. I've called the skin folder Ba65, and it's in paintschemes/skins. The skins I downloaded are all .bmps. No doubt it's some botch up I've made. Any ideas on how to fix it would be very welcome. Thanks again for the Ba65.
cheers
David Prosser
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Hi, thanks for this plane. I've got it working in DBW 1.6. [Earlier, I did a couple of missions using the R-10 as a stand in. ]There is only one hitch. I can only select the default skin in FMB. I've called the skin folder Ba65, and it's in paintschemes/skins. The skins I downloaded are all .bmps. No doubt it's some botch up I've made. Any ideas on how to fix it would be very welcome. Thanks again for the Ba65.
Skin folders are named by using the first part of an air.ini entry. Here are a few examples of names you would use for the Ba65 skin folders.
Ba65K14BiplaceEarly
Ba65K74TurretM
Ba65A80ArconeL
Ba65A80Monoplace
Ba65A80TurretM
Since there are 7 entries for all the variants, you'll also need 7 different skin folders should you wish to have skins for all models of the Ba65 available.
Once you remember to take the first part of an air.ini entry as folder name, it is very easy.
You can also change the first part of an air.ini entry should you so wish, if you wish to give the aircraft another designation, or add a nicknamed to the name you'll see in game. This should not effect the plane working. But if you do so, remember to change the skin folder name accordingly.
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All the updates are now included in the main download link in the first post
The main Download (updates included) is now
http://ifolder.ru/27880535
or
https://www.mediafire.com/?ym7wimyc61uh6q2
(updated 29/12/11 - All the updates are now included in this main download)
This does not include Birdman's fix.
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Hello
I just tested the K14M as a target for a hurricane : the engine burns very quickly
Nonetheless, it is a nice addition to the collection, thank you
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Funnily enough, I thought of the separate skin folder for each variant just before going to bed. The idea must have gone in one ear, and out the other overnight. Your solution is correct. Thanks for posting so quickly too. The solution was up within about 20 minutes. For the moment, I've only done a skin folder for the variant I'm using in the proposed BA65 campaign. It's some weeks away from completion. I'll add the Ro37 too, if I can get it to work in DBW 1.6.
cheers
David Prosser
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With a bit of copy and glue, three more skins for those who have appreciated this interesting and nice
Ba65 .. waiting for some authentical skinner, deal with it in a more professional way..
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/stanislao_2009/SCW_IMAM-Breda65.jpg)
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/stanislao_2009/Libia-BredaBa65.jpg)
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/stanislao_2009/Albania_IMAM-Ba65.jpg)
Link : https://www.mediafire.com/?exu9r0c7qulucaf
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After almost one week trying to put it to work, i quit :(
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Just downloaded this plane, great fun to fly.
Well Done
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Thanks for the three new skins.
cheers
David Prosser
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Skins are great Stanislao, many thanks!!!! 8)
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What should be the correct name of skinfolder for that bird?
I'm thinking about those 3 great skins from Stanislao...
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What should be the correct name of skinfolder for that bird?
I'm thinking about those 3 great skins from Stanislao...
For skins folders for any aircraft at all in the game, just take the first part of the air.ini entry for that plane. It is as simple as that.
For this plane you would use these for instance:
Ba65A80ArconeL
Ba65A80Monoplace
Ba65A80TurretM
Ba65K14BiplaceEarly
Ba65K74TurretM
(there are 2 folders I did not make)
And if you wish to name the plane something else, as a nickname, or something for your convenience, you can also alter the first part of the air.ini entry an the plane will then show up under that name. But then the folder for skins will have to have the same entry as well.
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You can put either in the "Skins" folder in subfolders :
Ba65A80ArconeL
Ba65A80Monoplace
Ba65A80TurretM
Ba65K14BiplaceEarly
Ba65K14Monoplace
Ba65K74ArconeL
Ba65K74TurretM
Happy fly..
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Ok that's clear, actually my question should be - which skin is which? ;D
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All skins fit all models (kind of unisex clothing :P)
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You can put all six in each folder. That is all...
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Thank You, got it!
BUT---> is it possible to shot from the turret?
It seems that it is not - active?
PS. Really hard to take-off. ;)
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Hi!
At this stage there is no cockpit for the gunner, therefore the turret is only AI operated
Take off - well, it is indeed supposed to be quite difficult - as it was in reality, not only due to the weight of the engine but also to the fact that in order to reduce this weight, the Italians had mounted the K14 engine without the reductor, therefore the torque was quite high soon after starting the engine - but if you follow carefully the take off instructions in the first post here you'll soon "get it in your hand".
I intend to upload later this week an updated FM that will reflect the fact that this plane was quite sturdy and most of the losses were not due to enemy fire but to to take off / landing accidents and failure of the engine (for the A80) - presently its toughness is similar to the Fiat Cr42 which is adequate for a fabric covered light biplane not realistic for an heavy metally sturdy italina monoplane - it won't be based upon an incredible 2600 toughness for the fuselage as in the SM79, but quite definitively upon something more than the present 80 (the java component of the DM is already present in the current mod as are the collision boxes).
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Thank you, I start to love this plane
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Thank you, I start to love this plane
+1... and they work well in 409 ! ;)
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Thank you for this mod,a great contribution for the SCW ,with the other planes you make ;)
On a 4.10 installation,i have délète your old version,extract and keep the new version,an i have always the same 3D problem on these 3 versions: :(
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af19/leperemagloire/a9a262d4.jpg)
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af19/leperemagloire/9a6af615.jpg)
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af19/leperemagloire/526dc7ea.jpg)
I think I saw a post to move forward the cockpit, but seems to have been deleted
thank you in advance ;)
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Leperemagloire, Under the yellow circle ahead of the cockpit you have a window which is part of the canopy - in order to try to improve the awful lack of visibility in the cockpit, the Italian engineers tried to find "inventive" solution, thence the strange shape of the canopy and these windows on the top of the fuselage - on the A80, and on the K14 Arcone L, at the difference of the earlier K14 versions this small window partly under the front (fixed) part of the canopy.
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4.09???? :(
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4.09???? :(
As I mentioned a little earlier, they work very well in 409 !
I'm almost done! It remains to make the stationary!
Alas, I only have two legs, two wings and a beak ... so be patient! ;)
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Alas, I only have two legs, two wings and a beak ... so be patient! ;)
UPGRADE!!
(http://calabria.indymedia.org/attachments/sep2008/la_piovra.jpg)
;)
Just kidding!
You are a real modding machine mate!!!
:)
All the best!
walter
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Hello to you all the Ba65 lovers .. still a skin "African" and a small gift for "Poldava" that he hoped for a skin maybe Iraqi ...and some others !
Good Epiphany ..
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/stanislao_2009/IRANIAN-Ba65.jpg)
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/stanislao_2009/African_Ba65.jpg)
and now the link : https://www.mediafire.com/?58fb8gg9q8yac8q
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Stanislao!
Great - an Iraqi skin! THANKS! D/L-ing now! ;D ;D ;D
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Stanislao!
Great - an Iraqi skin! THANKS! D/L-ing now! ;D ;D ;D
:) +1
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wow che lavoro magnifico grazie Stanislao ;)
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Can I humble request this from some of this awesome skinners?
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/veltro_28/BredaBa65FACH.jpg)
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d12/veltro_28/BredaBa65FACH2.jpg)
Some interesting info about Breda 65 in Foreign Service:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/394728/message/1320094967/El+Breda+Ba.65+en+el+servicio+exterior+parte+1-+The+Breda+Ba.65+in+foreign+service+part+1
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Can I humble request this from some of this awesome skinners?
Now that is a very nice skin. And it should be easy to make once a good template is available. I've been trying to get a good one made, but it takes a bit of time ...
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Very nice choice Dreamk! Excellent cockpit too. A question: are the bombs supposed to fall tail first?
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Yes - Italian bombs 50-250 kg were suspended vertically with their tail down or horizontally. They rotated in the air when falling. This was the same thing for the German bombs stored vertically in the Ju52 for instance.
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Here is a link to a somewhat basic template for this plane. There are still some inaccuracies as the parts are not completely mirrored to each other and often a bit askew. But it works well enough and maybe someone else will get down to more pinpoint accuracy ... or maybe the plane will be remapped ...
Anyway, this template is based partly on several skins that were posted here ... without those as a guide, it would have been difficult to find the proper placing ...
Hope this will be of help for anyone wishing to make more skins for this wonderfully different aircraft. I've only included one layer of spotted camo, maybe more camo schemes will come in updates.
https://www.mediafire.com/?isi4cz3hjfxcsvp
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and a few skins for the Chilean Air Force - as requested above by mr. Oblongo ... aircraft numbered 1 through 4 as on the photo
https://www.mediafire.com/?jvl5580shw8smjf
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Agracier, you are a phenomenon ;) :D
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Brilliant!, many thanks!
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Many thanks for the templates Agracier! :D Ok, it's time to paint the "Nibbio"...
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Thx for the template, Agracier. Already working on it!! Portuguese skin to come soon!!!
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Here's an updated template for the Breda Ba65 which includes among a few additions, mainly 6 (often very colorful and artistic) camo schemes that were typical for Italian aircraft. I added these camos from an extra set of camos that was created for the G-50 some years ago originally.
No credits are given on the camo set I used, but in any case no credit for the 6 camos goes to me, but to the original skinner ... for which thanks.
https://www.mediafire.com/?lobzn59au6ts9a5
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Do this only happens with me, or the plane doesn't get count as shotdown, and even after it explodes it still remains (in the form of a fireball, but remains :P)? Also, when crew bail out, they just dissapear, no parachutes or northing, just vanishes!
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Do this only happens with me, or the plane doesn't get count as shotdown, and even after it explodes it still remains (in the form of a fireball, but remains :P)? Also, when crew bail out, they just dissapear, no parachutes or northing, just vanishes!
Same occurred to me too.
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I already fixed that destruction but in my fix pack, but I didn't update that fix pack for latest version since I'm waiting for FM update that allows realistic ground handling together with fixed plane center position.
Anyway, to fix that destruction bug you'll only need to change all CFA_, CFB_, CFC_, CFD_, CFF_ and CFG_ to CF_ except those after Mesh in all hier.him files. Just Mesh line can have some other mesh name, section names in [] and parents should have the original CF_ names or you'll break references to those parts in java code like happens here. Game engine just can't destroy the plane when broken reference to CF mesh causes error.
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I already fixed that destruction but in my fix pack, but I didn't update that fix pack for latest version since I'm waiting for FM update that allows realistic ground handling together with fixed plane center position.
Anyway, to fix that destruction bug you'll only need to change all CFA_, CFB_, CFC_, CFD_, CFF_ and CFG_ to CF_ except those after Mesh in all hier.him files. Just Mesh line can have some other mesh name, section names in [] and parents should have the original CF_ names or you'll break references to those parts in java code like happens here. Game engine just can't destroy the plane when broken reference to CF mesh causes error.
Wait wait: u said rename the files, or open the hier.him and change names there?
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Please be patient, there are also some more small fixes gathering for the coming update, for instance hier him changes to adjust the outer wing tips that are not quite in line with the mid wing section, and....more...so just take a breath for now - it will be worth it ;)
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Please be patient, there are also some more small fixes gathering for the coming update, for instance hier him changes to adjust the outer wing tips that are not quite in line with the mid wing section, and....more...so just take a breath for now - it will be worth it ;)
Hehe, don't worry, m8!!! Take your time, i'm sure you will fix it, and this already nice plane will be even better!!!
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Sadly I cant get these to work in my DBW1.6, I keep getting an 'application memory..' error and CTD after about 70% loading. I've only got 9 extra a/c in my DBW folder and a grand total of 25 folders in all so dont think i've reached any sort of java level ??
I've got 2 meg of ram BTW
Also got problems with the Ro37 which gives the same error and the PWS-10 which causes a 60% CTD ??
Looking thru the posts here it seems i'm not alone in being unable to get these beauties to work !! Anyone found a solution? Is it due to Plutonium Effects as has been suggested?
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Hi! See may answer at your Ba65 question - you seem to have installed some folders (at least the arms_italy one) at tha wrong place - as thay contain java files the game loads and looks for them at the wrong place and crashes...
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Thanks Dreamk but the Ba65 still causes a CTD 'memory error' with both the Ro37 and PWS-10 disabled or uninstalled ?? It loads past 60% so the air.ini's is ok its crashing due to a memory issue which is prob java I imagine just wish I could pin it down ??
Mick
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UPDATE!
Hi Dreamk, I uninstalled the D4Y2 and 3 that I had in my DBW folder and which I wasnt really utilising, reinstalled the Ba65 and all works ok now (even with Plutonium Effects) - gotta be a Java limit thing I guess? Although as I said I have very few mods in my DBW folder ??
Now trying the Ro37 again !!
Mick
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Hi!
Sorry to bother!
Any news about the 409 conversion?
All the best!
walter
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The latest version is ready in 409.
But the author has announced significant changes ... So I wait! ;)
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Thanks for the reply mate!
I can still live two weeks without... ;)
Thanks for your works!!!
All the best!
walter
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I haven't got many of the issues people are complaining about (I guess we all have quite different installs) but I've found this funny behaviour: It's hard to land this plane on water, despite it floats pretty well not being a floatplane ;)
(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img191/1323/11012012172247.jpg) (https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/download/191/11012012172247.jpg)
(https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/img33/3517/11012012172658.jpg) (https://www.sas1946.rocks/images/imageshit/download/33/11012012172658.jpg)
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The latest version is ready in 409.
But the author has announced significant changes ... So I wait! ;)
Hi all!
First of all: many thanks and congratulations to Dreamk for this beautiful (and, in my opinion, much needed) mod.
As for using it, well... I'm PROUDLY one of the 4.09 rebels (YEAH!) and I've to thank Epervier for his great conversion work on many 4.101 planes.
As for this one, I don't want to be rude, but I think that next updates for this plane will be intended for the last 4.11 patch (and, as I fear, in a loooooooong time, and even if so even more distant from 4.09 parameters)
So, if there's a 4.09 version working, why don't release it (even if it will be full of bug, who cares? Some bugs are better than nothing :-\)
I use this post also to highlight another beautiful mod:
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,18403.0.html
It's the Bü-181 & Gomhouria Mk 6 mod, still available only for 4.101. And I'm not speaking about an Epervier fault: if you read all the post, the author himself "promised" a possible 4.09 conversion, but nothing was done. So, Epervier, if in the future you'll take a look at it, all 4.09 rebels will be surely very grateful ;)
By the way, thank you all! Good modding and happy flying to everybody!
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Glups !
We must not hesitate to contact me ... I completely forgot ... they are made ??for a very long time ...
Sorry... :-[
We'll get them out of closet... ;)
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Hello,
Is there, another way to get de Gun fix?
I am trying to get it from, http://ifolder.ru/27858495, but no success, I don't understand Russian, and even with the help, of the goggle translator, its noy working. :(
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Is there, another way to get de Gun fix?
I am trying to get it from, but no success, I don't understand Russian, and even with the help, of the goggle translator, its noy working.
It is not useful if you take the first link regrouppe all current updates (29/12).
https://www.mediafire.com/?ym7wimyc61uh6q2
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Sorry, didn't saw it ::),
Thank You
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Juan hi! this is a well known bug of some maps in Il2 4.10m - most planes can land on water if going slow on a low-stepped approach!!!
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Thanks DreamK, but I suspected something like that, and I tried in 3 different maps, checking that other planes were sinking in the same water. My first clue was when my cut in half Breda fell on a river not sinking ???
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I've found a strange situation - when Bredas under AI command are killed in fight and falled on the ground they are shown as alive-aircraft icon on a map. And, also, i can see markers of aircraft (showing type and distance to it) when I see to places of Breda's falling)). I downloaded all fixes of this thread but situation wasn't change... My versiion is 4.10.1 - handmade collection of MODs)
If somebody met the same prombem, please, post the solution)
Regards, Andrei)
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I found a strange situation - when Bredas under AI command are killed in fight and falled on the ground they shows as alive-aircraft-icon on a map.
+1 in UP2.01 !
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[zack] I found that you can usually take off, and taxy by doing the following. Lock and unlock the tailwheel as neded. Select landing, for the flap setting. Pull the stick right back. Open the throttle slowly. It usually works. Plan B, is everyone's friend, Mr Autopilot. As for manual landings, forget it. Mr Autopilot is your friend here. A SCW campaign is in the works.
cheers
David Prosser
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As for manual landings, forget it. Mr Autopilot is your friend here. A SCW campaign is in the works.
Odd about the manual landings, since I am the world's worst simulator pilot when it comes to landings, but with the Ba65 I have little problem landing ... it comes in so slowly and since you have to keep the head up to avoid pitching over from the odd center of gravity, it seems to work quite well for me ...
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I am the world's worst simulator pilot when it comes to landings
Wrong, that's me :D
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Odd about the manual landings,
[DJP] I can usually land bi-planes, and anything with a fixed u/c. With retractable u/c planes, I usually fail to keep the nose up, and stall. I therefore find Mr Auto-pilot very helpful.
cheers
David Prosser
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Do you trim upon the landing approach ? That could help. Also try to stay about 10 km/h above stall speed until you cut the throttle. If you stall then that's most likely because you were too slow.
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Dreamk,
This is awesome. I noticed that there are some discrepancies between the codes in the air.ini and the planes.properties files... due to using 74 instead of 14. I used the following and it works well:
AIR.INI
Ba65A80ArconeL air.Ba65AA 2 NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65A80Monoplace air.Ba65AM 2 NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65A80TurretM air.Ba65TA 2 NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14BiplaceEarly air.Ba65KB 2 NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14Monoplace air.Ba65KM 2 NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14ArconeL air.Ba65AK 2 NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14TurretM air.Ba65TK 2 NOINFO i01 SUMMER
planes.properties/planes_ru.properties
Ba65A80ArconeL Breda 65 A80 Arcone L, 1936
Ba65A80Monoplace Breda 65 A80 Monoposto, 1937
Ba65A80TurretM Breda 65 A80 Turreta M, 1937
Ba65K14ArconeL Breda 65 K14 Arcone L, 1936
Ba65K14BiplaceEarly Breda 65 K14 Biposto, 1936
Ba65K14Monoplace Breda 65 K14 Monoposto, 1936
Ba65K14TurretM Breda 65 K14 Turreta M, 1936
And of course the skin folders would then be:
Ba65A80ArconeL
Ba65A80Monoplace
Ba65A80TurretM
Ba65K14ArconeL
Ba65K14BiplaceEarly
Ba65K14Monoplace
Ba65K14TurretM
Finally, a question. I noticed that the planes displayed on the upper part of the Arming screen, indicating that their roll and pitch axis are not within the plane... that may be adding additional weight to the nose... possibly more so than warranted.
I flew the plane and looked at it from the outside, looking at the front of the plane, and sure enough, the plane did not roll based on its own axis (which would be somewhere inside the plane), it rolled instead over a point under and outside of the plane... try it and see if you notice it. This makes the handling charateristics a little more challenging. I wonder if that has some factor on the super heavy nose (understand there is historical evidence, but still).
Other than that, this is out-frigging-standing. Lots of fun. Any way the turrets will be playable at some point? At least in my install they are not available. Again thank you for a super cool mod pack.
UberDemon/danzigzag
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You're right - I've corrected the air ini entries on the first post so they display correctly the K14 insteadof this K74.
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[Do you trim upon the landing approach ? ]
[DJP] I never learned the art of trimming. I'm just plain lazy. So, I let my very good friend Mr Autopilot do the job. I'm sure your suggestion would work perfectly if I wasn't so lazy. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
cheers
David Prosser
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Well it is fast there flight model will correct? And that excuse certainly, but in that kind in which these planes now exist, them not probably to use. Though from for that that they aren't killed when them force down =). It not including other small errors.
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Samourai, you'll need to wait still for some time - if you'd followed the discussions on this forum, you'll know taht we are presently involved in putting some order in the emd of the Gnome and rhone family engine (and this includes the Isotta Fraschini K14).
Only after that we will be able to finalize the updated FM for this plane - the other FM problems concerning "element strength" have already dealt with, as some hier him corrections - and there are also new meshes of canopies and fuselage - I do not intend to make partial uploads, but will upload a single complete update, in due time :).
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Hi Dreamk, I have no clue about how to d/load the third update; I mean; i have the page translated but the download link does not work. Could you help me please?
Best regards,
Gianluca
Here you are istructions for DL from ifolder.ru, with a major problem: SAS site doesn't allow cyrillic typefaces... ::)
If request of download comes from other country than Russia you must:
1) click on the clickable word in third line of text above sharing icons (it seems "cio4a")
2) choose a sponsor and look advertising for 30 seconds
3) after 30 sec click on two clickable words at the end of first line of text appearing at top of page ( looking similar to: "HaxmnTe cio4a" )
4) fill the captcha with numbers and click on the word just below the window
5) click "cka4atb"
6) DL begins :)
otherwise you download STEALTHY for Mozilla Firefox and configure it so that it seems that your traffic comes from Russia... ;)
My apologies to Russian friends for the horrible translitteration! :)
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Thks Ecto!
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A better idea than posting the updates in a webpage most can't read would be to pull the original, and insert the updated file. One stop shopping on a download is the best way to go...... and just call it ver 1.xxxxx or what ever it happens to be. I have found some threads are so convoluted you can't make sense of them after 3 or 4 updates, makes them almost impossible to use. Some have gotten it right and have made it easy for everyone to enjoy their mods. And thank god for Winds jsgme packs.....................
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Beo you're right - but as I explained the comprehensive update is "incoming" and it will includes a lot of changes, from new meshes for fuselage and canopies and turrets, to new versions (piaggio engined Ba65).
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hi all being a bit of a puter twit all is good with this plane but when i put fix in bombs move over can any one help a frustrated admin lol sorry for being stupid but all help is needed thanks don :D :D :D :D
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The link for update 2 no longer works. I don't know if this matters or not, but, there
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you look at the dates of the updates, you will notice that it's useless.
First Link: 29/12
Others are older !
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There is now a WW2 campaign for this aircraft:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/Poltava/battleaxe4-2.jpg)
You can download it here: http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads3&file=details&id=1344
Hope you like it! :)
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Looking cool after reading through... just need to get uncorrupted UP3 or 4 torrent DL'ed to my 4.101 SM306 game...
(I got one UP torrent, but it doesn't work after JGSME & SAS-MA 306 avtivation...)
This could be one to try - evil handling A/C are a novelty to me at the moment - triing to fly a B-29 below 100m alt, empty, 20% fuel on 'Pilars of Hercules' oflline 'create server' is fun if your board :D
22Aug, 18:51 GMT;
DL'ing to tryout... let your virtual pilot strengthen his virtual forearms holding the nose up on it - or not...
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I am unable to switch to the gunner position plz help me . I have downloaded the 29/12/11 updated one.
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You have to go into Controls and assign a key or joy button to do that.
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Usually, it's Ctrl & C (change from cockpit to gunner)
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Can I humble request this from some of this awesome skinners?
EDITED !
Some interesting info about Breda 65 in Foreign Service:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/394728/message/1320094967/El+Breda+Ba.65+en+el+servicio+exterior+parte+1-+The+Breda+Ba.65+in+foreign+service+part+1
Great link and pictures, thank you!
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maybe wait a little for this skin - the Piaggio engined Ba65 is part of the coming update of this plane :))
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Thank you Dreamk,
you've done my dreams about Breda 65 come true!
Watch pictures at this link you can find the L turret with the Breda Safat 12,7 mm on the right side of it.
Ciao ;)
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maybe wait a little for this skin - the Piaggio engined Ba65 is part of the coming update of this plane :))
that's a very good news :) thank you for that info!
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Yes, I got good pictures of the turret and made a new one, much more correct historically
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in first post?
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There is now a WW2 campaign for this aircraft:
EDITED !
You can download it here: http://www.mission4today.com/index.php?name=Downloads3&file=details&id=1344
Hope you like it! :)
I have a DBW 1.71 installation and have added several individual mod planes like the Typhoons & Tempest (+ Seafury) family upgrade by crazyflak, Blenheims by Dreamk , New cockpit of Me 323 Gigant, Mosquito NF pack, SB-2M103 and SB-2M100A, B-26B Marauder,G.50 bis A bis AN/BN. and Breda Ba65 K14 & A80.
I have also a few Campaigns such as the Typhoons over Normandy, Dawn Patrol (DBW 1916) to play with. Recently I have added the BattleAxe 4 : flying the Breda Ba.65 and also the requisite Breda Ba.65 pack .I could play the Bredas in the QMB which proves that the planes are added correctly but I fail to get the mission listed in the dropdown list. Also I do not have a \IT folder as stated by Poltava and have placed the mission under \RA. I have also noticed that unless there is a \IT folder the Regia Aeronautica does not features under the Airforce dropdown menu so I had to create a empty \IT folder( without the awards, background.tga ) and placed the folder. But that didn't helped either. Also I have copied the contents of the \RA folder to the newly created \IT folder and tried to play after placing the Campaign folder in it . This has not helped a bit. I have tried different other methods like renaming the \RA folder to \IT and renaming the mission folder but it was of no avail. I have comunicated my woes to Poltava and he has adviced me to post it in the forum. If any body is aware of some soluton please reply. I have tried to follow the instruction in the readme file as close as possible . I have placed the extracted skins of the planes in the \skins folder and renaming the earlier similar planes' skins to avoid conflict.
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I really hope that DreamK will have a re-look of this plane. It's not about the 3D, not even about the FM that definetely needs refining. It's mostly about the fact that is a VERY HEAVY installation that even in the DBW 1.71 it shows...
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I really hope that DreamK will have a re-look of this plane. It's not about the 3D, not even about the FM that definetely needs refining. It's mostly about the fact that is a VERY HEAVY installation that even in the DBW 1.71 it shows...
I hope he does to and an updated FM would be a definite plus.Dutchman you probably need the IT voice pack installed to get the campaign to work.
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help me! my game crash at 70%
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lol,hi, and welcome to the forum.
please learn from early on that if you need help, you should provide info that can help others to help you - so, you should always provide at least what game version you are running, with which modpack/activator, etc.
otherwise we cannot offer correct advice....
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I can not update this aircraft, the update download links are dead
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I can not update this aircraft, the update download links are dead
(updated 29/12/11 - All the updates are now included in this main download)
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This is the link for the last comprehensive version - a major update of the whole Ba65 family is planned in the next couple of months (new 3d meshes are ready, but some other mods have priority before this planned update)
https://www.mediafire.com/download/ym7wimyc61uh6q2/Ba65New.rar
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Thanks for the update mate!
I'll test as I wake up!!!
All the very very best!
walter
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Tested successfully in my 410 and 412 installations!!!!
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Hello,
Could I please get help adding this plane:
I have never added a plane before and I am stumped in trying to add this plane to play Battleaxe 4.
I have a working copy of DBW 1.71 and have added Battleaxe 4 successfully and it will run, but of course without the Ba65 it defaults to a different plane, so no fun in that!
Here are the details. If the answer to my question is in a comprehensive post here at SAS somewhere else please just point me to it with a link. I have been using the search function for 3 hours and can't find an overall explanation.
When I run Battleaxe 4 I get the message "Air Class air.Ba65AA doesn't exist in your IL2 game so another plane will be substituted."
So I followed the instructions in the OP of this thread to add the Ba65 and did this:
In order to add the 7 aircraft, add to the air.ini file:
Ba65A80ArconeL air.Ba65AA NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14ArconeL air.Ba65AK NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65A80TurretM air.Ba65TA NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14TurretM air.Ba65TK NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65A80Monoplace air.Ba65AM NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14Monoplace air.Ba65KM NOINFO i01 SUMMER
Ba65K14BiplaceEarly air.Ba65KB NOINFO i01 SUMMER
If you want, you can after that add to the plane_ru.properties file the following lines:
Ba65K14ArconeL Breda 65 K14 Arcone L, 1936
Ba65A80ArconeL Breda 65 A80 Arcone L, 1936
Ba65K14TurretM Breda 65 K14 Turreta M, 1936
Ba65A80TurretM Breda 65 A80 Turreta M, 1937
Ba65A80Monoplace Breda 65 A80 Monoposto, 1937
Ba65K14Monoplace Breda 65 K14 Monoposto, 1936
Ba65K14BiplaceEarly Breda 65 K14 Biposto, 1936
The add to the ru.properties file sounds optional "If you want" so I tried it both with and without the add to the ru.properties file.
I also followed the instructions in the Battleaxe 4 readme file below:
3. Skins: With this campaign comes 7 skins, that comes zipped. If you follow these instructions, you can get them all installed AUTOMATICALLY in the right folders, without any hassle! Right Click on the zip file (aircraft_skins.zip) and choose the alternative "Extract to..." Then locate where your IL-2 programme is installed and choose the "Skins" folder (The usual path is "IL-2 Sturmovik 1946\PaintSchemes\Skins\"), click on "Extract" and - hey presto - all the skins should land in their proper folders.
and the skins have indeed landed in their proper folders.
But after all of the above, DBW won't load. It simply quits at about 70%.
When I look at the Ba65 folder and subfolders that come in the zip file I see the following structure:
Ba65
3DO
Arms
2KgBombletF
2KgFragIt
2KgIncIt
Spezz_56
Cockpit
Ba65A
Ba65K
Plane
Ba65a
Summer
Most of the folders above contain many files. A few are empty parent folders with the files contained in the subfolders below them. In all, between parent and subfolders there are several hundred files and I have no idea where to place them and I'm assuming their absence is why DBW won't load after modifying the air.ini as described above. By simply unzipping the file in any single location they don't autoinstall, but rather unzip in the structure shown above wherever I aim the unzip.
Could someone please explain or show me where to find instructions on the location to add these files. I can edit text files using Notepad and am fairly proficient in doing this sort of thing, but I have no idea where to place everything.
Thanks so much for your help. I think with help on this Ba65 I will probably never have to ask this question again for any other plane.
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the plane folder is named Ba65 not ba65a - check
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Thanks, DreamK.
I also finally found this link on how to install a plane (don't know why I couldn't find it before):
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=1353.0
So I've got the Ba65 and another plane installed and working now!
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:)
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Greetings,
is there any Template Available atm?
Any news on the major update, dreamk?
Thank you very much!
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Thank you very much, Zip_Comic1 !!
Are all of these modifications historical?
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Of course not historical - but everyone is free to make Frankenfun planes if he enjoys them - we don't frown on that :))
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Restore of the deleted Breda Ba65 Field Mod
by zip_Comic1 aka Flyer101 aka JoHNy_SpRoCK-X:
Orig post by zip_Comic 27-Dec-2014:
I have been flying the Ba65 series and have put together my files on this mod.......
I am calling this set...... Ba65New_AA_TA_MA_FMv4.......
This is for the AA TA and MA models only......
What you will get is....the Ba65New..field modded to........Heavy caliber and larger bomb loads, gunner arrangements..both single, twin, and bottom rear , improved turret tracking, Damage level on most surfaces, dive and level bomber choices, test skins, and many more fixes....
Works for Me under;
4.101m Mega Patch
SAS Mod Act3.06
SAS Buttons 4.10 offline
SAS AutoDiff 4.111
Link:
https://www.mediafire.com/download/qj01ugf5721o5ej/Ba65New_AA_TA_MA_FMv4.7z
For questions, help requests contact via PM:
Flyer101 (aka zip_Comic1) (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?action=profile;u=24488)
or (new account of zip_Comic1 aka Flyer101):
JoHNy_SpRoCK-X (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?action=profile;u=25271).
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Hello to all the community,
I was wandering if it would be possible to edit a weapons_Ru for this plane. The idea is to use it in a DGen campaign using asura's mod in an early africa settentrionale campaign...
Per la gloria dell'aviazone italiana
:D :P ;D leforban
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New wheels textures.
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,57273.msg632930.html#msg632930