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Individual Mods and Packs for IL-2 1946 => Skins, Maps, Missions & Campaigns => USA Skins => Topic started by: zsoltquack on February 15, 2017, 04:55:45 AM
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(http://www.kephost.com/images/2017/02/15/15.02.201711-42-40.jpg)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8htvvvt8f7gmhen/zsb_SB2C-1C-Helldiver.zip?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/8htvvvt8f7gmhen/zsb_SB2C-1C-Helldiver.zip?dl=0)
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The link takes me to my dropbox!? Not yours where the skin is!
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Ok,
Link update!
Zsolt
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Just out of curiosity zsolt , what is the history of the Helldiver in the 13th FS ?
For me FS usually = Fighter Squadron , and this seems strange with the Helldiver.
As far as I can discover , the 13th FS was part of the 53rd FG (previously 53rd Pursuit GRoup) of the 3rd Air Force ,
and was disbanded May 1 , 1944.
I am not trying to be annoying , but your skin has roused my curiosity.
Any info appreciated.
Kopfdorfer
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Just out of curiosity zsolt , what is the history of the Helldiver in the 13th FS ?
For me FS usually = Fighter Squadron , and this seems strange with the Helldiver.
As far as I can discover , the 13th FS was part of the 53rd FG (previously 53rd Pursuit GRoup) of the 3rd Air Force ,
and was disbanded May 1 , 1944.
I am not trying to be annoying , but your skin has roused my curiosity.
Any info appreciated.
Kopfdorfer
(http://www.kephost.com/images/2017/02/16/PS72139A.jpg)
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Good skin ;)
Check MP
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Interesting zsolt .
Now I am getting curious.
Checking in the book "BuNos : Disposition of WW2 USN/USMC/USCG Aircraft Listed by Bureau Number" by Douglas E. Campbell ,
which I am assuming ( I know , I know) is a list of all the aircraft types within manufactured ,
there is no SB2C having serial number 41-18826.
If anyone can find further info on this bird , I would like to see it.
It's a nice skin , regardless.
Thanks for your work.
Kopfdorfer
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Okay , further info -
The serial of 41-18826 falls within the serials attributed to the A25A Shrike (should have picked that up from the colour scheme , shouldn't I ?).
Here is another image of your aircraft again noted to be from the 13th FS.
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/765/pics/3_6.jpg)
And further info still...according to the USAAF Serial Number List (for WW2) , the A25A 41-18826 is not listed at all.
A-25A-10-CS series , comprising Serials of 41-18824 to 18873 , within which this aircraft would be , shows no disposition for
41-18824 to 41-18833.
I don't know what this means in real terms , but I am beginning to suspect that the model company may have selected the serial
because it wasn't used on an actual aircraft. Why they would do this I have no idea.
There is the possibility that the aircraft were distributed to a nation other than the US , or perhaps they were used for parts , or for industrial demos
in licensed factories ere this variant was to be produced.
Also , what role would an A-25A play in a fighter squadron ?
The only sensible roles I can think of are Target Tug , or Tactical Recon.
No resolution to the mystery from my end so far.
Kopfdorfer
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There was no 13th FS in the 1944-1945 timeframe. The squadron was disbanded May1, 1944.
The squadron initially served operationally at the Panama Canal Zone, to be recalled to the US late in 1942 and turned into a training squadron with P-47's and P-51's until it was disbanded.
It was reactivated once again in 1953, and finally disbanded 1968.
Now, the current 13th FS actually stems from a 313th BS which was tasked with ASW work in the Gulf of Mexico January 1942 - October 1943. This was reconstituted in 1966 as the 13th FS that is still active today.
The A-25 was never used operationally, it was evaluated by the USAAF and they ordered large quantities, but by the time these started to arrive the Air Force decided they won't be needed since P-47's were more than capable of doing the job A-25 was designed for. Eventually, the examples already produced ended up with the Marines.
So, i would say the profile is entirely fictional. It certainly wouldn't be the first time a model maker would invent a plane to suit their needs.
Which, of course, doesn't take away anything from the superb quality skin by Zsolt.
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Remembered this Picture. Found in SB2C Helldiver in action: Squadron Signal Publication inc No.54, page #18
(https://s11.postimg.cc/smpfl3tjn/Unbenannt_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5l8ufctvz/)
Tobias
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It is possible that the plane was used for liaison purposes / as a squadron hack. Some A-25s that were not forwarded to the Marines ended up in this role with various squadrons based in the continental USA. In which case it wouldn't carry the defensive gun, or in fact any other weapons, which we can't see in the photo anyway, but which exist in the color drawings implying this plane was used in a combat role with the 13th FS.
Also, there was no 13th FS in the 1944-45 timeframe as claimed on the drawings, the squadron being disbanded May 1, 1944. The photo doesn't make such claims.
So, at best, if not outright invented the drawing is at least very misleading.