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Individual Mods and Packs for IL-2 1946 => Aircraft => Twins => Topic started by: SAS~GJE52 on June 25, 2018, 08:35:52 PM

Title: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: SAS~GJE52 on June 25, 2018, 08:35:52 PM: The Focke-Wulf Fw 187 Falke ("falcon") was a German aircraft developed in the late 1930s. It was conceived by Kurt Tank as a twin-engine, high-performance fighter, but the Luftwaffe saw no role for the design, perceiving it as intermediate between the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Bf 110.

(https://i.postimg.cc/G38pRpcn/Fw-187-Falke.jpg)

Later prototypes were adapted to two-seats to compete with the Bf 110 in the Zerstörer (heavy fighter) role, but only nine aircraft were built in total. The Luftwaffe, however, stated that without defensive armament the aircraft could not fulfill the Zerstörer role, and remained uninterested in the design. The three two-seat prototypes were returned to Focke-Wulf after testing at Rechlin. There was a brief study in the winter of 1942/43 to ascertain the aircraft's potential as a night fighter, but the idea was not taken forward.

(https://i.postimg.cc/BbgVzjp5/00-Falke6.jpg)

add to air.ini :

Fw-187A0 air.FW_187A0 2 g01 SUMMER
Fw-187A1 air.FW_187A1 2 g01 SUMMER

Download 4.12 version - update ver 1.1 :

https://www.mediafire.com/file/zw27f3jdyjzdne7/Fw187_Falke.7z/file (https://www.mediafire.com/file/zw27f3jdyjzdne7/Fw187_Falke.7z/file)

Download 4.09 version : with working radar thanks to SAS~Epervier

https://www.mediafire.com/file/pjiyax6l8jitluc/Fw187_Falke__409ver2.7z/file (https://www.mediafire.com/file/pjiyax6l8jitluc/Fw187_Falke__409ver2.7z/file)

A fix for a small sound problem for UV2 and UV3 users: courtesy of SAS~Epervier

https://www.mediafire.com/file/7bpyc45j2lb9iec/FW187_FM.7z/file (https://www.mediafire.com/file/7bpyc45j2lb9iec/FW187_FM.7z/file)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SNFPBBwn/00-Falke12.jpg)

Note : Please do not add suggestions, patches or additions to this thread as they may cause confusion and/or conflicts with on-going work and updates, therefore, posts of this nature will be removed. If necessary, contact the author by pm.

(https://i.postimg.cc/7PVgR7Zb/00-Falke10.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Bbh0G9gH/00-Falke3.jpg)
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: SAS~GJE52 on June 25, 2018, 08:36:39 PM: Fw-187 Skinpack from Max_thehitman

... includes a very rare Fw-187 "Red-Falke" belonging to the Protection squadron- "Die Würger-Staffel" from Jagdverband 44 (The Galand Circus)
for protection of the landing Me-262 Luftwaffe jets from attacks by Allied fighters!
( ... this of course is all but FUBU* ! )

.... 28 Skin-Pack is here ;) ...

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,58985.msg650175.html#new

2 Skin-templates by Max_thehitman

now available here

... https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,58991.0.html
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Vampire_pilot on June 25, 2018, 09:33:38 PM: awesome! Thanks
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: 101tfs on June 25, 2018, 09:39:09 PM: Great
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: SAS~Storebror on June 25, 2018, 09:43:37 PM: Great stuff, the better 110 8)
Thanks for this cool new addon Glynn!

]cheers[
Mike
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: DU30 on June 25, 2018, 10:06:46 PM: Fantastic in every way, thank you sir
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: cgagan on June 25, 2018, 10:19:46 PM: Great addition to the game! Many thanks for sharing,
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: extruder10 on June 26, 2018, 01:12:16 AM: Hi. It's a very nice Plane. Thank you very much. Very cool.
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Ace on June 26, 2018, 02:09:55 AM: Very Nice! Thanks!
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Gatrasz on June 26, 2018, 05:50:44 AM: OK, that's veeery cool, another German twin-engine nightfighter, my all-time favorites ! Thank you for this cool surprise, I'll try this little wonder ASAP, and I may think about a little campaign to use it ! 8)
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Spider16 on June 26, 2018, 06:00:48 AM: Congratulations to all involved in the design and execution of this new jewelry. Working perfectly on my MOD BAT. Thanks to all .

Cheers

Carlos
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: urmel on June 26, 2018, 09:15:44 AM: Thanks for sharing!!!
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Piotrek1 on June 26, 2018, 09:20:07 AM: What a surprise! :o 8) , Thank you GJE52.
Best Regards,
Piotrek
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Mission_bug on June 26, 2018, 11:01:40 AM: Excellent as always Glynn, thank you very much, really appreciated. 8)

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Flight Officer Pitt on June 26, 2018, 11:27:14 AM: Thanks for this execllent bird!!!
But I still suffer from NF loaduot problem... A-1 is OK, A-0 gets 30% crash in QMB
I'm using UP3+106 Patch Pack...with a lot of other aircraft mods
Log simply stopped halfway loading mission...

Any idea?
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: RAECHER on June 26, 2018, 01:41:24 PM: Thank you for a great aircraft.
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: bomberkiller on June 26, 2018, 03:36:24 PM: Hello Pitt,

for Storebror's last UP3 "301 Patch Pack" klick here:

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,57992.msg639970.html#msg639970 (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,57992.msg639970.html#msg639970)

Best regards, Gerhard ;)
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: rkalhorn109 on June 26, 2018, 06:50:12 PM: Outstanding work, JGE52! I've long been curious about the Fw 187, and never expected to see it added to the game so soon. Thank you! ;D
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Ta183Huckebein on June 27, 2018, 08:02:15 AM: Actually, I have one last question:

What's the gun set for the default loadout? All sources claim that this a/c had the 4 rifle cals and 2 20mm cannons, so I'm curious as to what the default load is, since the 4x7.9 + 2x20 is a separate loadout
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: SAS~GJE52 on June 27, 2018, 10:15:39 AM: The "Default" load-out on the 4.12 version of both aircraft is effectively only a "prototype" fit - installed purely as a proof of concept.

There are 2xMG17 with rate of fire of a 1200 rounds per minute and 4x fixed MG15 with a rate of fire of 1000 rounds per minute.

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I did notice that the throttle handle in the AO is missing in the cockpit.

Found it..... it was next to the other one....

(https://s26.postimg.cc/arg0asbqh/Fw187_Throttles.jpg)
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: oldschoolie on June 28, 2018, 04:43:37 AM: Great piece of work, thankyou. The RLM made a strange decision when not having this put into production.
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Spider16 on June 28, 2018, 07:18:56 PM: According to information sources, the three prototypes of the A-0 series were used by pilots of the Focke Wulf company in defense of the factory facilities in Bremen, as well as for a time they were at the disposal of a Jagdstaffel in Norway where they were preferred to Me-110 , standard fighters of this unit.
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Aragorn1963 on June 29, 2018, 06:03:40 AM: Beautiful plane! Thank you so much for your work.
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: max_thehitman on June 29, 2018, 08:20:05 AM: Quote from: Spider16 on June 28, 2018, 07:18:56 PM
According to information sources, the three prototypes of the A-0 series were used by pilots of the Focke Wulf company in defense of the factory facilities in Bremen, as well as for a time they were at the disposal of a Jagdstaffel in Norway where they were preferred to Me-110 , standard fighters of this unit.

Very true, according to some historians.
Some say they even scored a few kill victories, but this has never been confirmed.
The pilots said they out-performed the Me-110 in many ways, so its strange that the German RLM never
put this aircraft into production.
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Spider16 on June 29, 2018, 01:39:42 PM: Perhaps it was another unusual interference of Herr Hitler. He himself tried to interfere with many other Reich weapons projects as we know - Me-262, the assault rifle MP-43/44 - delaying in many months or years the production of armaments that could have changed the course of the war against the allies.
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: SAS~GJE52 on June 30, 2018, 09:25:37 AM: Quote
Perhaps it was another unusual interference of Herr Hitler.
There is no need to guess. The real reasons for it's cancellation are well known and widely published. The practical objections could have been overcome, the political ones were not so easy.
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: SAS~GJE52 on July 03, 2018, 04:26:18 AM: 4.09 update and UV2 + UV3 sound bug fix at first post.

note: please read comment at first post, test and report bugs only

G;
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Vasya on October 23, 2021, 12:40:16 PM: (Fix Fm: AviaSkins.Forums )
посилання видалено...
:-X
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: SAS~GJE52 on October 24, 2021, 08:08:22 AM: As it says in the first post.....

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Note : Please do not add suggestions, patches or additions to this thread as they may cause confusion and/or conflicts with on-going work and updates, therefore, posts of this nature will be removed. If necessary, contact the author by pm.
.

Anyway, using a rough translation, he states....

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Hastened while at least one eye sees.
If something is wrong, I will correct it one of these days.
The wing profile is standard for Fok - NASA-23014/15.
Su entered the maximum - the wing has a large aspect ratio.
Enjoy your flights!
-----------------------
P.S.
Since franken files are mostly used by default,
then the hooks are placed correctly - the default weight distribution is normal
fit into the new fm.
Fixes:
fm, motors, ATA code, rearranged ATA / Speedometer meshes in correct
order - available in a separate folder - need to be put into cockpit folders.

He then offers this as an alternative FM... I am sure that someone more aware of the flight model characteristics than I might like to check it out to confirm his claims.

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[Aircraft]
Type 2
Crew 2
Wingspan 15.3
Length 11.10
Seaplane 0
Canard 0
Jet 0
JetHiV 0
// CrewFunction0 1
// CrewFunction1 7
[Mass]
Empty 3850.0
TakeOff 5000.0
Oil 54.0
Fuel 830.0 // 530.0
[Controls]
CAileron 1
CAileronTrim 1
CElevator 1
CElevatorTrim 1
CRudder 1
CRudderTrim 1
CFlap 1
CFlapPos 3
CDiveBrake 0
CInterceptor 0
CEngine 1
CVectoredThrust 0
CUndercarriage 1
CLockTailwheel 1
CStabilizer 1
CArrestorHook 0
CWingFold 0
CCockpitDoor 1
OnlineCockpitDoor 0
CockpitDoorPeriod 2.0
CAileronThreshold 400.0
CRudderThreshold 420.0
CElevatorThreshold 460.0
DefaultAileronTrim 0.007
DefaultElevatorTrim -0.00
DefaultRudderTrim 0.050
[Squares]
Wing 29.4
Aileron 1.9
Flap 3.9
Stabilizer 2.6
Elevator 2.8
Keel 3.0
Rudder 3.0
Wing_In 5.9
Wing_Mid 5.5
Wing_Out 3.3
AirbrakeCxS 0.00
[Arm]
Aileron 5.6
Flap 3.0
Stabilizer 6.5
Keel 6.5
Elevator 7.0
Rudder 7.0
Wing_In 1.2
Wing_Mid 3.5
Wing_Out 6.0
Wing_V 4.5
GCenter 0.05
GCenterZ 0.00
GC_AOA_Shift 0.45
GC_Flaps_Shift 0.15
GC_Gear_Shift -0.10
[Toughness]
AroneL 50
AroneR 50
CF 500
Engine1 150
Engine2 150
Engine3 200
Engine4 200
GearL2 300
GearR2 300
Keel1 200
Keel2 200
Nose 200
Oil 100
Rudder1 100
Rudder2 100
StabL 100
StabR 100
Tail1 400
Tail2 300
Turret1B 100
Turret2B 100
Turret3B 100
Turret4B 100
Turret5B 100
Turret6B 100
VatorL 100
VatorR 100
WingLIn 200
WingLMid 150
WingLOut 100
WingRIn 200
WingRMid 150
WingROut 100
Flap01 50
Flap02 50
Flap03 50
Flap04 50
[Engine]
Engine0Family Jumo210(MODS):FW187_FM
Engine0SubModel Jumo-210GA/FW-187/NEW
Engine1Family Jumo210(MODS):FW187_FM
Engine1SubModel Jumo-210GA/FW-187/NEW
[Gear]
H 1.901417
Pitch 9.210
SinkFactor 800.0
SpringsStiffness 0.4
TailStiffness 0.3
[Params]
CriticalAOA 19.40
CriticalCy 01.38
CxCurvature 00.292
CxStraightness 00.025
CriticalAOAFlap 21.00
CriticalCyFlap 02.42
SpinTailAlpha 17.00
SpinCxLoss 0.055
SpinCyLoss 0.03
Vmin 160.0
Vmax 457.0
VmaxAllowed 800.0
VmaxH 525.0
HofVmax 4500.0
VminFLAPS 140.0
VmaxFLAPS 300.0
Vz_climb 13.0
V_climb 280.0
T_turn 28.0
V_turn 320.0
K_max 12.3
Cyo_max 0.15
FlapsMult 1.0
FlapsAngSh 3.0
Range 1200.0
CruiseSpeed 360.0
SensYaw 0.40
SensPitch 0.65
SensRoll 0.32
[Polares]
lineCyCoeff 0.08855
AOAMinCx_Shift 0.5535
Cy0_0 0.13
AOACritH_0 19.0
AOACritL_0 -18.0
CyCritH_0 1.39
CyCritL_0 -1.02
CxMin_0 0.0190
parabCxCoeff_0 4.5E-4
Cy0_1 1.0
AOACritH_1 17.4
AOACritL_1 -22.7
CyCritH_1 2.11
CyCritL_1 -0.72
CxMin_1 0.080
parabCxCoeff_1 6.2E-4
parabAngle 5.0
Decline 0.010
maxDistAng 35.0
draw_graphs 0
mc3 -17.274,-11.427,-14.994,-8.5414,-9.8375,-3.3144,1.1456,-4.9505
mc4 35.874,28.861,81.767,175.28,74.334,41.96,21.532,61.433
mm 0.682,0.742,0.777,0.777,0.762,0.703,0.648,0.583
mz 0.288,0.274,0.164,0.099,0.136,0.149,0.154,0.117
[SOUND]
Engine Std

That said, when I get some free time, I will look into this suggested FM fix from our friend Vasya on the site in question. ;) if it is genuine I will consider updating the download. It is just a matter of courtesy between those who create items and modify the game to contact the author of a mod first.
, but whatever.... :D

..... G;
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Vasya on October 24, 2021, 08:21:16 AM: Quote from: SAS~GJE52 on October 24, 2021, 08:08:22 AM
As it says in the first post.....

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Note : Please do not add suggestions, patches or additions to this thread as they may cause confusion and/or conflicts with on-going work and updates, therefore, posts of this nature will be removed. If necessary, contact the author by pm.
.

I will look into this suggested FM fix from our "friends" on the site in question. ;) if it is genuine I will consider updating the download.
For this, the mod has not posted corrections for several years,
so I thought to help users.
But.
No, and no trial.
I delete the link to the fix.
Let the users of the mods go to the aviaskins and there they look in the section
"AviaSkins.Forums > Основные разделы > Моды для Ил-2 > Первым делом, первым делом - самолеты
Новые самолеты. Обсуждение."
to "fix" fm and other files for mods.
All the best!
How do you write wishes:
be safe.
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: SAS~GJE52 on October 24, 2021, 08:26:58 AM: Thank you Vasya, your response is noted.

Best wishes...

G;
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: Vasya on October 24, 2021, 08:37:56 AM: Quote from: SAS~GJE52 on October 24, 2021, 08:26:58 AM
Thank you Vasya, your response is noted.

Best wishes...

G;
(Дуже дякую!
Нехай щастить!)
Thank you very much!
Good luck!
Title: Re: Fw-187 Falke
Post by: _Hans on March 21, 2022, 05:05:06 PM: Maybe I have missed something but i notice that in the screen shots, there are some examples of the two-seater version with rear guns in the upper part of the aft cockpit.
I have the 4.09 V2 version installed but don't get any rear guns.

Am I missing something in the install or instructions somewhere, or is this a limitation of the 4.09 version?