Loading [MathJax]/extensions/Safe.js
Special Aircraft Service
Individual Mods and Packs for IL-2 1946 => Skins, Maps, Missions & Campaigns => WIP Maps => Topic started by: Filippo1995 on June 06, 2024, 05:09:23 AM
-
Hello everyone,
After many years of absence I'm back to the community and I'd like to share with you my latest project; a somehow more accurate map of the italian front after the battle of Caporetto.
This map is based on the modified WW1 Italian Front by gio963tto, which features the correct course of the Piave river.
What I've done is very basic, I've reused the WW1 trench and no man's land texture that come with DBW 1916 and painted them along the December 1917 to October 1918 frontline. Since the number of tiles available for each map is limited I had to replace two strings of the city tiles, hence I also had to simplify the appearance of the cities.
I have also added some airfields along the frontline for both the italians and the austro-hungarians.
Since I was already there, I also made a winter version, which is actually an adaptation of the Winter WW1 Italian Front made by Vampire Pilot.
Every object that I have used on the map comes from 4.10 DBW 1916 v4.1, so there shouldn't be any compability problem if you use that version. Anyway let me know if there are any.
Download link
https://www.mediafire.com/file/mopykaj74w43zmx/Italian_Front_1918.7z/file
-
Here are some pictures:
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fPfQ1Wb/Immagine5.png) (https://postimg.cc/B863hTPP)
Overall view of the map
(https://i.postimg.cc/T1sd449d/Immagine.png) (https://postimg.cc/wRhYtFZZ)
Trenches along the Piave River
(https://i.postimg.cc/MKcKQz6v/Immagine2.png) (https://postimg.cc/YhHHcKmH)
Monte Grappa
(https://i.postimg.cc/3whKVpgv/Immagine3.png) (https://postimg.cc/JsTVBsYr)
One of the new airfields
(https://i.postimg.cc/d1Hwhxg2/Immagine4.png) (https://postimg.cc/0MwL3ckj)
This is a picture of the old frontline, the one from 1915 to late October 1917, there are no more active trenches, however the earth is still scorched from the almost 3 years long conflict fought there
(https://i.postimg.cc/FsJNKGpS/Immagine6.png) (https://postimg.cc/2VmPcQPj)
The Piave river during the winter of 1917-1918
(https://i.postimg.cc/0QB1kJJZ/Immagine7.png) (https://postimg.cc/tZWMDJkV)
Monte Grappa in winter
-
Bel colpo Filippo, non mi resta che provarla ;)
-
Very cool!
I did a winter retexture for this map once. I am curious about the new airfields.
-
Bel lavoro! ]salut[
Potresti aggiungere qualche aeroporto/campo di volo? Quelli esistenti sono pochini, qualche riferimento:
Nice Job!
Could you please add some airport/airfield? The current ones are very few, some references:
http://www.ilfrontedelcielo.it/files_12/121_00_aeroporti.htm
http://www.ilfrontedelcielo.it/files_12/121_00_mappe.htm
http://www.ilfrontedelcielo.it/files_12/121_00_veneto1.htm
http://www.ilfrontedelcielo.it/files_12/121_00_veneto2.htm
Grazie :)
-
Grazie per l'incoraggiamento ragazzi, la mappa che ho postato è in fase di sviluppo, quindi più informazioni riesco a reperire e meglio è. A dire il vero 3 dei 4 campi di volo che messo sono in realtà dei finti campi volo. Durante il 1918 sia i nostri che gli austriaci crearono dei campi fittizi per ingannare il nemico. I nostri due erano a nord ed a sud di Treviso. Praticamente il loro compito era quello di ingannare i bombardieri austriaci durante la notte tramite segnali luminosi in codice e farli atterrare sugli stessi. Una volta a terra sarebbero stati poi attaccati e distrutti dalle forze terrestri predisposte a ciò. Il campo fittizio austriaco, invece, era solo un diversivo per i bombardamenti. In ogni caso vedrò di aggiungere i campi che mi hai indicato raf1659. Grazie mille.
Thanks for the encouragement guys, the map I posted is a work in progress, so the more information I can find the better. To tell the truth, 3 of the 4 airfields I listed are actually fake airfields. During 1918 both our and the Austrians created fictitious camps to deceive the enemy. Our two were north and south of Treviso. Practically their task was to deceive the Austrian bombers during the night using coded light signals and make them land on them. Once on the ground they would then be attacked and destroyed by the ground forces prepared for this. The fictitious Austrian camp, however, was only a diversion for the bombings. In any case I will try to add the fields you indicated to me raf1659. A thousand thanks.
Vampire Pilot, it is indeed your retexture, I have simply adapted to my modifications.
-
Update
I have added some airfields to both the italian and the austro-hungarian side. They are in majority italian, but when I'll find also some sources about the austro-hungarians one I'll add them too in the right amount.
The new airfields are of three types, big ones with concrete structers, medium ones with wooden and light structures and bare landing fields with just some canvas tents to cover the planes.
Actually there's also an extra "airfield" in this case is the Airship landing zone. The sources of raf state that there are 3 of them on the italian side; one in Verona and two around Mestre and Venezia. Same as above for the austro-hungarian ones, if I find some sources about them I'll gladly add them.
P.S. If you have any info feel free to share, it will greatly improve the development because the airfields depicted are based on what they might have looked like at that time.
Now pictures time
(https://i.postimg.cc/MKm1S916/Immagine8.png) (https://postimg.cc/rKzDGCh3)
Airship Landing Zone, this is the biggest of the three, the one near Venezia.
(https://i.postimg.cc/13gRHtmk/Immagine9.png) (https://postimg.cc/FY4QFhJp)
A very basic landing field near the frontlines, the one depicted is an austro-hungarian one.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Kjvxgcps/Immagine10.png) (https://postimg.cc/YGVJ57H1)
Airfields improvement. This is the situation as today.
-
The Italian airfields are with their national territory, so i suppose them being somewhat elaborate makes sense.
The Austrian ones were definitely just very basic field bases in this front area. If you want to know about some basic locations, check out my mission sets for Austria-Hungary. I have put some recherche into all of them, including their bases of operations for the FliKs I chose.
The good thing with DOF is, all these planes can take off and be landed in the wilderness, if it is just basically level. You do not need a real "runway" to operate them. Makes it easy to put a field base anywhere.
-
Thank you very much! I'll give a look at your missions. Just a question while we are at it, is it better DOF or DBW 1916 in terms of airplanes and ground units? DBW offers a nice array of planes and thanks to some extra mods a little bit of ground units. The downside is that it runs on 4.10 and many functions of 4.12.2 are not available.
-
DOF I would say
BAT DOF was developed off of DBW 1916. It also has more stuff put in over time as well as all the mission building functionalities, like C&C and triggers. Maps wise, it has all the concrete runways of the standard maps replaced with grass and things like that.
-
That's great! I'll shift to DOF immediatly then!
-
Ottimo ! :)
Per quanto riguarda le strutture Austro-Ungariche puoi fare riferimento a questa mappa:
http://www.ilfrontedelcielo.it/files_12/121_00_doc.htm
Non vedo l'ora che la mappa sia disponibile in BAT!
Regarding the Austro-Hungarian structures you can refer to this map:
http://www.ilfrontedelcielo.it/files_12/121_00_doc.htm
I can't wait for the map to be available in BAT!
-
Airfields in the Austro-Hungarian hinterland, east of Görz.
https://www.kobariski-muzej.si/en/exhibition/temporary-exhibitions/austro-hungarian-aviation-on-the-isonzo-front/
"in June 1917, seven airfields operated in this area on the following locations: Ajdovščina, Vipava, Podnanos, Podraga, Divača, Sežana and Prosecco/Prosek."
We already have Prosecco/Miramre and Divača. What I was missing back when I built the missions were one or two of the home bases in the Wippach Valley (Vipava valley), they were important when the frontline was near Görz.
-
Fantastico! Grazie alle informazioni che mi hai girato sono riuscito a completare gli aerodromi austro-ungarici.
Al momento la situazione è questa:
Fantastic! Thanks to the information you gave me, I managed to complete the Austro-Hungarian airfields.
At the moment the situation is this:
(https://i.postimg.cc/6QTVb6PF/Cattura.png) (https://postimg.cc/8FQrjGNb)
Rimangono ancora dei semplici campi di atterraggio da inserire, ma penso sia congruo lasciare il loro inserimento ai creatori di missioni. Nei prossimi giorni procederò a dettagliare ulteriormente la mappa ed a rivedere alcuni punti salienti del fronte.
There are still some simple landing fields to insert, but I think it is appropriate to leave their insertion to the mission creators. In the next few days I will proceed to further detail the map and review some salient points of the front.
-
Airfields in the Austro-Hungarian hinterland, east of Görz.
https://www.kobariski-muzej.si/en/exhibition/temporary-exhibitions/austro-hungarian-aviation-on-the-isonzo-front/
"in June 1917, seven airfields operated in this area on the following locations: Ajdovščina, Vipava, Podnanos, Podraga, Divača, Sežana and Prosecco/Prosek."
We already have Prosecco/Miramre and Divača. What I was missing back when I built the missions were one or two of the home bases in the Wippach Valley (Vipava valley), they were important when the frontline was near Görz.
Regarding these airfields east of Isonzo I'll add them in a later project. My idea about this map is to create 3 versions with the same implementations of this one.
So there will be a 1915-1916 one, a 1916-1917 one and this one which depicts the front from late 1917 to late 1918.
All of them will have trenches and ground destruction based on the progress of the conflict at the timeset of the map.
Each map will have also the winter version and if I find the right textures I'll create an autumn-spring one too.
-
Regarding these airfields east of Isonzo I'll add them in a later project. My idea about this map is to create 3 versions with the same implementations of this one.
So there will be a 1915-1916 one, a 1916-1917 one and this one which depicts the front from late 1917 to late 1918.
All of them will have trenches and ground destruction based on the progress of the conflict at the timeset of the map.
Each map will have also the winter version and if I find the right textures I'll create an autumn-spring one too.
Oh, this sounds great!
But I have a suggestion to make here. I've looked back at your older pictures and the one of Monte Grappa made me think.
While the Piave battle was stuck in the mud and the brown is a good and fitting tone, keep in mind that this was not an elaborate trench battle like in France. Also, I was wondering if the brown tone is a correct coloring for a shelled section on Monte Grappa. I am not sure of the structure of this particular mountain, but I would have gone fore something more rock colored, by instinct.
And that now leads me to a comment on the eastern front areas near Görz and the Isonzo. This area is pure karst, notoriously rocky and absolutely unsuitable for any kind of "French style" trench digging. The shelled zones here should be a distinctively rock color, same as any areas on mountains should be rocky. The stone was splintering under bombardment and the stone shrapnel was as much feared as the explosives themselves.
(https://www.thewalkofpeace.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Lokvica-Borojevicev-prestol-Arhiv-Simon-Kovacic1.png)
I am pretty sure you know the Walk of Peace, but the images point out what I mean.
https://www.thewalkofpeace.com/ww1-heritage/world-war-i-the-isonzo-front/
-
Oh, this sounds great!
But I have a suggestion to make here. I've looked back at your older pictures and the one of Monte Grappa made me think.
While the Piave battle was stuck in the mud and the brown is a good and fitting tone, keep in mind that this was not an elaborate trench battle like in France. Also, I was wondering if the brown tone is a correct coloring for a shelled section on Monte Grappa. I am not sure of the structure of this particular mountain, but I would have gone fore something more rock colored, by instinct.
And that now leads me to a comment on the eastern front areas near Görz and the Isonzo. This area is pure karst, notoriously rocky and absolutely unsuitable for any kind of "French style" trench digging. The shelled zones here should be a distinctively rock color, same as any areas on mountains should be rocky. The stone was splintering under bombardment and the stone shrapnel was as much feared as the explosives themselves.
(https://www.thewalkofpeace.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Lokvica-Borojevicev-prestol-Arhiv-Simon-Kovacic1.png)
I am pretty sure you know the Walk of Peace, but the images point out what I mean.
https://www.thewalkofpeace.com/ww1-heritage/world-war-i-the-isonzo-front/
I totally agree with you. About the Monte Grappa, I have recently visited it and there still are some battle scars in the soil, however that mountain is kinda muddy compared to the rocky carsico terrain of the Carso zone. Anyway the Carso around Gorizia and the "western" front, Trentino mountains, as you said, shouldn't have a muddy trench texture. Here is the problem, The map already uses all the skins slots. Is there any way to add more of them? Otherwise I should maybe replace a smaller one that is not used too much and create a new mountain rocky trench texture, which is no problem at all for me.
-
No, the amount of textures is fixed.
-
Good news! We have been lucky, there actually was an unused slot in the skins, so I had the opportunity I was needing to create a more carsica skin.
Since I was already at it, I have created the basic 1916-1917 version.
Picture time:
(https://i.postimg.cc/jSwYZ5r2/Immagine1.png) (https://postimg.cc/tsjcg9JG)
1916 to 1917 airfields showcase, I have added the 5 missing ones you asked Vampire, I have removed the extra ones from 1918 and kept the ones that were already there in 1916. Next improvement will be about the remaining airfields of that time.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fk6THkT/Immagine2.png) (https://postimg.cc/nsvSbgpc)
Here are the new skin carsiche, both for the trenches and the No Man's Land.
They are placed along the Isonzo river frontline and up to some lower alps.
Let me know what you think about them.
-
Ottimo lavoro! ]thumbsup[
-
First Beta Pack ready, have fun
https://www.mediafire.com/file/guws65hh0mcj1j0/WW1_ItalianFrot_Pack.7z/file
-
Noi e il nostro gruppo la proveremo on line. Grazie!
-
They work and look very good!
One thing however, and I now remember it was bothering me even with the old maps: The shallow water grid texture (here gulf of Trieste)
Maybe this can be made to look more smooth?
I do not know what file controls this though.
(https://i.postimg.cc/DfcXG5vc/2024-06-12-18-50-43.jpg)
-
Thank you for your kind words y'all.
Yeah those squares bothered me too, so I've removed them by editing the map_c file.
Meanwhile I've applied some little improvements to the 1918 version.
Using il2ge I've found a bug regarding the roads being present in the middle of the river, so I have cut them just before or right into No Man's Land. To make the cut more "natural" I've put some craters where they end.
There are still many improvements to do in this map pack, so stay tuned for updates.
Pic time:
(https://i.postimg.cc/P5TDmZDS/Immagine16.png) (https://postimg.cc/QHYVDF07)
Same Gulf, no more squares
(https://i.postimg.cc/YSSmPHbg/Immagine15.png) (https://postimg.cc/rDvmdv6F)
No Man's Land cut roads.
-
That's great! I would assume, this map_c also will fix this in the old map :)
-
You are absolutely right, the map_c file is retrocompatibile with the original map, given that you are using the updated one from gio.
I'm testing the map and seeing how my PC handles the increased level of ground objects. Up to now it runs pretty well.
Here is the new version with updated airfields and map_c file.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/gryv91sx5wc50jj/ItaFront_v.1.5.7z/file
Now Pic time:
(https://i.postimg.cc/J72qHK7L/Immagine17.png) (https://postimg.cc/23nvPQBc)
Fighting in the skies of the Piave during the Battaglia del Solstizio, 15 June 1918.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8kv8ZZK1/Immagine18.png) (https://postimg.cc/nMnwzGf5)
Istrana Airfield, the homebase of the 91esima Squadriglia "degli Assi".
(https://i.postimg.cc/GhnWVvVv/Immagine19.png) (https://postimg.cc/K4Qpg3ZY)
An ex-italian airfield on the east bank of the Piave river, now in austro-hungarian hands.
(https://i.postimg.cc/x10WTn0C/Immagine20.png) (https://postimg.cc/4mS8WCHk)
FliK 41 Airfield, based on the version provided by Vampire Pilot.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z5VXW2RL/Immagine21.png) (https://postimg.cc/tsnBfrF1)
FliK 42 Airfield, same as above.
-
Great :)
-
Hi,
I have some references regarding Austro-Hungarian airfields and strips on the Slovenian territory which was under Austro-Hungarian rule. Located on the most western part of the map
there were several airfelds and strips.
Airfield Gorica (Gorizia), sector AZ 9
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroporto_di_Gorizia
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Aeroporto+Duca+D%E2%80%99Aosta+di+Gorizia
https://web.archive.org/web/20160816194130/http://www.avia-it.com/act/cera_una_volta/regia_aeronautica/CUV_ra_2014/Seg_art_Febb_14/L_aeroporto_di_gorizia_ieri_e_oggi.pdf
https://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letali%C5%A1%C4%8De_Gorica_1911-1914 (in Slovenian)
Gorica Airport was the first military airport on Slovenian soil.
The Austrians started building the airport in 1911, in the area of the then training ground of the 5th Dragoon Regiment, i.e. on the road to Mirno. The location was not accidental, as Gorica was an extremely strategic city on the border with the Kingdom of Italy. The terrain and wind conditions were favorable, as the Rusjan brothers, who flew a little further south, towards Peča, had also tried them a little earlier (1909).
In 1912, hundreds of flights were already carried out at the Gorizia airport. By 1914, four hangars and a command barracks were built at the airport. During this period, Flugpark 3 and Fliegeretappenkompagnie 4 operated at the mentioned location.
With the Italian declaration of war, the airfield was abandoned, as Fliegeretappenkompagnie 4 had already left the location. Knowledge of the terrain near the Gorizia bridgehead was key to setting up defenses along the Soča river and also setting up other airfields in the rear of the Soča front.
The Italian military and civil airport Amadeo Duca D'Aosta Aeroporto Duca D'Aosta di Gorizia was later built on an almost identical site.
There was also airfiled few kilometers to the west, airfield Ajsevica which was one of the biggest airfield for the Austro-Hungarian forces used in the WW1 in this sector. AZ 9/BA 9.
https://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letali%C5%A1%C4%8De_Aj%C5%A1evica_(1915%E2%80%931916) (in Slovenian)
https://www.kamra.si/digitalne-zbirke/letalisce-na-ajsevici/
(https://i.postimg.cc/fRqS6df9/Ajsevica-letalisce.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
The track was built between January and March 1915, i.e. before the start of the war with Italy. Today, there is a dog range in the middle of the track.
2nd track
Due to the cramped conditions, in July 1915 a track was built in the area of Livešč, between the road to Šmihel and the bed of the Lijaka stream.
3rd track
Due to the ever-increasing number of hangars that the Austrians were putting up in the direction of Ozeljano, in the same year they built a third track between the road behind Šmihel and Ozeljano. Today it is a paraglider landing site.
4th lane
In 1916, hangars and a track were built south of Ozeljano or In Otave.
5th lane
In the spring of 1916, they began to build buildings between the stream Lijak and the road near the Three Houses. The track and associated facilities were used until the fall of Gorica in August 1916. The Ajševica airport system was the largest such system on Slovenian soil during the First World War. It included five runways and more than 60 buildings, hangars, workshops, warehouses and other auxiliary facilities. The greatest concentration of aircraft was in this area in the period between May 1915 and August 1916, mainly due to favorable weather conditions. Ajševica belongs to the moderate bore area. The line of moderate storm runs between Črniče and Dornberk. After the fall of Gorica, within a few weeks, all the infrastructure was moved to Ajdovščina, Vipava, Šentvid (Podnanos) and Podraga.
Airfield Divaca
https://www.google.si/maps/place/Letali%C5%A1%C4%8De+Diva%C4%8Da/@45.7541236,13.6827315,12z/data=!4m10!1m2!2m1!1sletali%C5%A1%C4%8Da+v+sloveniji!3m6!1s0x477b38e6163470e5:0x9ccdf612f3a592d5!8m2!3d45.6831719!4d14.000089!15sChdsZXRhbGnFocSNYSB2IHNsb3ZlbmlqaVoZIhdsZXRhbGnFocSNYSB2IHNsb3ZlbmlqaZIBB2FpcnBvcnSaASRDaGREU1VoTk1HOW5TMFZKUTBGblNVUkRlRmt5TkhwblJSQULgAQA!16s%2Fm%2F07kgg0c?hl=sl&entry=ttu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diva%C4%8Da_Airport
Airfield Ajdovscina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajdov%C5%A1%C4%8Dina_Airfield
https://www.kamra.si/digitalne-zbirke/letalisce-v-ajdovscini/
(https://i.postimg.cc/BQyXs4ft/ajdovscina.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Today, the sports airport is in the same location as during the First World War, except that it has been extended in the direction of the village of Cesta.
(https://i.postimg.cc/PfmYrLr9/ajovscina2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
There were several more strips, maybe I can find some links when I have some more time.
I hope this is a bit of a help.
Best regards, Jure
-
Thank you very much for your research, I will use it for future implementations!