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Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« on: January 23, 2011, 09:00:27 AM »


As we have some of the more fanciful aircraft of the Luftwaffe in the game already I thought I would submit this for the review of the modding community. The epitome of a last ditch effort to stop USAAF bombers over the Reich, the Natter combined simplicity of construction, extremely heavy firepower, and sheer performance (albeit short lived) that makes the ME163 look like an I16.
Whats more is this aircraft could (in theory) be launched from mobile platforms, meaning that it wasn't dependent on fixed airfields, favorite targets of the allies.
Some more pictures and background. What technical specifics I could find are in at the bottom.
I wonder if it would be possible to franked plane one of these from the ME163? Although you would lose alot of the Natter's amazing performance.


An Illustration of the recovery system of the plane/pilot. Photo is of a successful test of this system using a dummy.


Gray/Green mottling

Natter in the Garber facility, shows overall basic green mottling.


This aircraft was a manned, rocket-propelled single-flight projectile which could be flown by a pilot with only limited training in how to aim it at the enemy. It was to be launched vertically from a gantry and fire its nose-mounted load of 34 3-inch rockets into a bomber stream in a single salvo lasting 0.4 seconds. The pilot would then bale out, as the aircraft was simple, cheap and disposable (the aircraft did have a recovery parachute that would allow the vital parts of the aircraft to be recovered and reused). However, it was calculated that the average acceleration during the climb would be 2.2g, the highest projected altitude 52,000 feet, the average climb speed 420 mph and the horizontal speed while accelerating away from the fighter escort would be 620 mph! Exactly how the pilot was going to abandon the aircraft safely when his 7 minute fuel supply ran out was left to him!
A volunteer was eventually found (for a test flight) and strapped in, but shortly after lift-off the plexiglass canopy blew off and at the speeds reached by the rocket it is likely that the pilot lost consciousness almost immediately. The engine of the 'Natter' ran all the way to the ceiling altitude, then the aircraft went into a steep dive and disappeared, crashing into the Danube valley (it was suspected that the aircraft had actually gone supersonic during its death-dive).
At least one Foo-fighter sighting appears to have been of a Bachem Ba349 'Natter' - The case in which in which pilot Lt. David L. McFalls and his radar-observer, Lt. Ned Baker, saw ‘[a] glowing red object shooting straight up, which suddenly changed to a view of an aircraft doing a wing-over, going into a dive and disappearing.’
Upon launch, the Natter would be guided, by ground-based radio-control, to a point above and in front of the target bombers. At this point the pilot would assume control of the aircraft and ‘push over’ for a gliding attack. Both in its appearance and its manoeuvres, this seems to agree with the Foo-fighter reported by McFalls and Baker.
(taken from http://www.456fis.org/Bachem_Ba-349.htm HUGE amount of information on this aircraft)




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Origin: Bachem-Werke GmbH, Waldsee
Type: part-expendable target-defense interceptor
Engine: 2,000kg thrust Walter HWK 109-509C-1 bi-propellant rocket (vertical launch boosted by four 500kg or two 1,000kg solid motors
Armament: 24 Föhn 73mm spin-stabilized rockets, or 33 R4M 55mm spin-stabilized rockets, or (projected) two 30mm MK 108 cannon each with 30 rounds
Speed: maximum speed (sea level) 800km/h, (at high altitude) 1,000km/h
Climb: 11,100m/minute
Range: 32-48km
Weight: empty 880kg, loaded 2,232kg
Wingspan: 3.6m
Length: 6.02m
Height: 2.25m
Crew: one
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Re: Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2011, 09:04:25 AM »

Wow, awesome :o It should have to made =D
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Re: Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2011, 09:11:16 AM »

Wow, awesome :o It should have to made =D
I know right! 1000kph at altitude (max) and it gets there at 36000+ feet per minute!!! :o
Ever black out going straight up?
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Re: Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2011, 09:31:10 AM »

when you go straight up, you cannot black out...

you are on your back, in a sitting position.
acceleration will force your blood down. out of the lower legs, into your upper leg parts, into the Body itself.

if your seat is inclines a la F-16, the blood will be pulled further down... to the lowest point of your body - the head.
Redout.

even if your seat is straight... i highly doubt you would suffer from blackout... either stay neutral or have a slight redout

The natter was for Nutters...
sposed to split in wo and sail down on Parachutes - yeeeaaaa...

but a nice idea. Like that Manned V1 rocket ^^
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Re: Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2011, 09:35:56 AM »

Oh I know, just making light of an extreme aircraft.
Really no more extreme than say the Lerche, so ya perfectly normal... ???
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Re: Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2011, 10:33:34 AM »

I´like to see it in Il2!, IMHO the Lerche FM could be used, conveniently modified, and the plane must not be difficult to make, bue I´m not a modder,
so it is just my opinnion.
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Re: Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2011, 10:52:37 PM »

I got a 3d GMAX file of the Natter from somewhere off the internet.
I heard the test pilot was kill by Gforce from the take off.
you got to be a nutter to fly it by be nice to have in the game.  :P
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Re: Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2011, 08:12:29 AM »

I got a 3d GMAX file of the Natter from somewhere off the internet.
I heard the test pilot was kill by Gforce from the take off.
you got to be a nutter to fly it by be nice to have in the game.  :P
This is the story ive read in a couple of places about the crash and killing of the test pilot
In February 1945 the SS funders decided that the program was not going fast enough, and demanded a manned launch later that month. The first and only time that the aircraft was tested in this way was on March 1, when Lothar Sieber flew Ba 349A M23, which was launched from the Lager Heuberg military training area near Stetten am kalten Markt. Things went well at first, but one of the jettisonable Schmidding boosters failed to release and the Natter got out of control. At 500 m (1,600 ft) the cockpit canopy pulled off as Sieber intended to bail out. He was instructed by radio to keep trying to shake off the booster, but inside the clouds he lost orientation. Also, the parachute did not open due to the stuck booster. Eventually, the aircraft turned over and slammed into the ground, killing Sieber. It is suspected that Sieber may have broken the sound barrier on the way down.

The cause was explained as a failure of the canopy which may simply not have been properly latched before launch. Photos were altered to hide the fact that a FuG16 radio was in the cockpit, used to order Sieber not to bail out. Excavations in 1998 found remains of the booster.

It should be noted though that test pilots apparently reported good handling at 200kph+, and there were successful manned glider test flights. I'm still looking for information on handling characteristics or documents of the test flights, but with such an obscure aircraft and internet incompetency its getting difficult.
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Re: Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2011, 09:58:37 AM »

YEAH! Come on! That would be totally rad!
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Re: Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2011, 03:48:59 PM »

I agree...this is a great idea.
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Re: Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2011, 04:02:54 PM »

The latest edition of After The Battle Magazine, has a great article on the test flights and history of the Natter, see here

http://www.afterthebattle.com/osCommerce/product_info.php?products_id=285

I have a subscription to this magazine, and it really is excellent, always has interesting topics.

regards all

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Re: Bachem Ba 349 Natter
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2011, 01:25:27 AM »

I'm usually a quite enthusiastic guy, but I dunno about these "what-if"-aircraft...  :-\ And that taking off from a tower, and coming down, in part, in chute - can it be done? And still be fun? I hesitate.

Being historically bent I prefer aircraft that were actually put in production and used operationally. And we have a lot of those that hasn't been made for IL-2 yet.
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