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[Verhängnis]

Ok I will just clear this discussion up, the Me-262 could outrun any Fighter plane the allies had, thus it could get to the bombers and decimate their formations with a 4:1 kill ratio, because Germany was running out of precious resources and metals of which they had taken from captured territories, eg Nickel, Chromium, the Turbine blades in a Jumo 004 would often burn out after not more than 24 Hours of operation, and lastly High quality jet fuel was at an extreme low, this is seconded by the often common sight of seeing 262, Arado and Heinkel Airframes just sitting out on the Aifield, either without new engines or without fuel.

[razor1uk]

I always had a soft spot for the smaller 211 or 213, but theres the Lerche & 262HG-II examples of a 46' fighter, why not the 215 for a 46' bomber.
DVL, RLM & jet engine design teams & productions was starting to get some Jumo 109-03D's or BMW 109-04C's (AFAIR) production devlopement engines past 100hrs at close to average powers, all with decreasing strategic resources. But either the Western or Eastern forces advancing stopped that.

[Verhängnis]

The HG II was a High speed research aircraft to test the Airframe limits of the 262 Design, the Lerche was just a stupid idea with extremely poor performance. 

Sometimes I wonder how they called this expansion 1946, as it doesn't really contain any Post 45 German, Japanese or Allied Designs.

[Roger Smith]

the Lerche was just a stupid idea with extremely poor performance. 

how would you know if it never existed? 

[Verhängnis]

the Lerche was just a stupid idea with extremely poor performance. 

how would you know if it never existed? 

Fly it in IL-2 and you will know what I mean.

[JG3_Hartmann]

Well, the "high quality jet fuel" was not the problem, because compared to the fuel for a K4 or D9 the jet fuel was (and still is today) cheap crap.

And I think even if they would have made 5 Panzer IV and 5 D9´s out of 1 Tiger II and 1 Me-262 they wouldn´t have had any advantage, because if I can kill one Tiger II with a bomb, I can kill 5 Panzer IV´s too...and those 5 D9´s would have been as good as one 262, staying on the ground without fuel, pilots or ammunition.


And personally I think the Lerche does rather a good job...for what it´s designed for.
Standing around near a factory, take off when those bombers come in, shoot 1 or maybe 2 (they could have used R4M rockets or some gunpods) and then fly home. I would say the Lerche does perfom good in this job.

[hoddyman]

I've heard that the problem with designs like the BV215 was one of rigidity- If those wings can flex any, it throws the whole thing off. Blohm und Voss were going to use a very heavy cylindrical wing spar (doubling as a fuel tank) to solve the problem, but it remained to be seen if it would have worked in practice.
     Anyway, I still miss the lack of the more obvious "what if" possibilites in this game. The Germans get that silly Heinkel "Lerche"-thing, but the allies don't have their Vought F5U. There are various German jets in the game, a couple of which never even flew, in real life, But we don't get the Gloster Meteor, the De Havilland Vampire, and the McDonnell Phantom (all of which flew during the war) to give them plausible opponents.

[Roger Smith]

the Lerche was just a stupid idea with extremely poor performance. 

how would you know if it never existed? 

Fly it in IL-2 and you will know what I mean.

that's not the same 
and besides, it has very great performance., no vertical stall, fast, and great guns and rockets

[razor1uk]

I like try to fly the Learche with on engine off the same engines prop feathered, so funny, can almost land it too on one, if you don't mind getting a bit dizzy or nearly cooking the remaining motor.
Sos' for the off topic-ness.

Battle damage on the 215.03 with holes on wings near the tips, or damaged on the tips should cause those to suffer some tip control(s) flutter/buffet, as this is sort of what the DVL/RLM were worried most about with this family of design.

While radio controlled models do not recreate the specific structural wieghtings and equipment loadings etc, they do provide a good basic ball-park representation of some characteristics, many plane designers used to make designs into hand throwable balsa and tissue models, to test throw/glide before windtunnels were built, or devoloped/proved enough to get access to windtunnels.

People still do this when designing there own RC plane design, by making a simpler 'free flight' model to evolve upon.
The fact that some of the drawings for this family of A/C did include systems & equipment or space for 'being developed' equipment, means that paperwise, things are quite far along, say around 20% of the way to the 1st prototype being started.

Having said that, this would more likely be like the DH spider Crab or Meteor, entering during the end of the war. They came close to pulling off something devastingly unforseen, and caught the allies 'with their trousers down' a few times - just as we did to each other, them and others elsewhere.