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[dietz]

( Originally posted over at AAA...)
Really not sure where to post this ( screenshots?) but ..I'm not much of a bomber guy but this got my attention...it wasn't a flyable with the 4.10 patch but now it is...WOW!









Waste gunners too!

[PO_MAK_249RIP]

It sure fooled me - crafty blighters leaving it out of the readme!! This has answered my other post in 'Modworx' BTW, might just get HSFX5 for this !!!!!

Give us a screenie of the panel - pweeeezzzee LOL

[dietz]

After a day with HSFX5.0 & a test drive or two- I'm a convert...It doesn't have EVERYTHING...but it has a ton! I've always been a 109 guy..and I was disappointed that the stock 4.10 din't bring them up to the standard I had with modded 4.09m...but boy they are done up right in HSFX5! Sounds & Maps are much improved too. I think this collection of mods might be the best one yet.
  I know it willstill boil down to those who want to knw they've added every mod & know what it is & those who want a fast pack & no brainer install.I must say this is a pretty good argument for the second approach!

[dietz]

Your wish...etc.etc.

[CWMV]

After a day with HSFX5.0 & a test drive or two- I'm a convert...It doesn't have EVERYTHING...but it has a ton! I've always been a 109 guy..and I was disappointed that the stock 4.10 din't bring them up to the standard I had with modded 4.09m...but boy they are done up right in HSFX5! Sounds & Maps are much improved too. I think this collection of mods might be the best one yet.
  I know it willstill boil down to those who want to knw they've added every mod & know what it is & those who want a fast pack & no brainer install.I must say this is a pretty good argument for the second approach!

I'm still waiting for the next UP but Ive been playing around with HSFX5 and really like what they've done with it. Pretty 109's are back but I don't know about the FM. As a 109 junkie I expect the elevators to start getting really hard at 350MPH TAS but I can pull out of a dive like nothing in HSFX. British pilots reported that they couldn't even pull enough G's to start a blackout in a 350MPH dive in the 109E, but I didn't start to get really bad elevator problems until around 500MPH.
I'm no expert, but its not what i expected from the 109 after what Ive read.
Other than that Ive really been loving it except that most of the campaigns I have are set up for UP.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

I'm still waiting for the next UP but Ive been playing around with HSFX5 and really like what they've done with it. Pretty 109's are back but I don't know about the FM. As a 109 junkie I expect the elevators to start getting really hard at 350MPH TAS but I can pull out of a dive like nothing in HSFX. British pilots reported that they couldn't even pull enough G's to start a blackout in a 350MPH dive in the 109E, but I didn't start to get really bad elevator problems until around 500MPH.
I'm no expert, but its not what i expected from the 109 after what Ive read.

I also expect UP, and previous version of HSFX (included with UP) wasn't very good for me in FM question. I want to give a try this new 5.0 version also for FM, and hope it will be closer to UP as I think UP is way better in the thing. But I can say that thing about 109 you mention is not really exactly, and there is an urban leyend about that. Yes, Bf-109E had a problem with controls at higuer speeds, that was what you mention and was proben by english during BoB with some captured Emils. BUT that problem was known by engineers and with new versions reaching higuer horizontal speeds (and not only diving like Emil) that needed a fix, and it was in Bf-109F-0, so fixed that first versions of F-0 tend to broke tail cause the so big command you had in the stick. Then a reinforcement was attached, first externally (typical seen in F-1, F-2 and yet sometimes in F-4, you can see two rods below elevator in the fuselaje) and then internally. So the high speed bad control was eliminatted. Then, don't know why, authors maintain the history about high speed bad control like if it was for every 109 version until now (70 years later...), but that was only true until Emil.

Quick search, this is a F-2, you can see one of the reinforcement rods next to the guy knees...



S!

[CWMV]

Ya the Emil report was from BoB timeframe (love how it surmised that the 109 was inferior to the spitfire and hurricane!) but subsequent testing of F's and G's gave similar results. I kinda take these with a grain of salt, because it was during a time of war and the british eval of the 109 definitely made me think that there was a bit of nationalism involved (109 overall inferior to the hurricane...right) but we don't really have anything else to go off of unless the current owners of restored 109's are willing to do these tests. I have no doubt that the problem was imporved upon, but I find it very hard to believe that the problem was ever 100% fixed and the 109 could pull out of a 500MPH dive with ease.
Said about a 109F by the british, that the elevator control was better than the E, but:
"As a result of the heaviness of the elevators at speeds over 400 m.p.h., violent evasion is
not possible, and the aircraft would present a simple target to a following
Spitfire."

I too prefer the last UP FM for the 109's. These in HSFX5 perform really well I just wonder if it inst too much. Fighting spitfires shouldn't be an easy no question win, although AI has alot to do with that.