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LuseKofte

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Czech airforce 1938?
« on: June 06, 2011, 04:07:15 PM »

I always wanted to make a campain on Germanys invation on Czechoslovakia in 1938. since this is a period of time my favorite planes are. But I do not know anything about it, the map is very nice and I like to start with just making QMB missions on that map. Can anyone tell me about planes I can use, if there where any aircombat at all, I will make that anyway  :). all I could find was some Aero bombers that I can use PLZ 37 for.
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Re: Czech airforce 1938?
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2011, 04:58:34 PM »

It will have to be a fictional campaign.  As far as I know, there was not any fighting and no air combat.
As I recall, Hitler was able to negotiate the takeover of the Sudetenland in 1938...the territory with heavy Czech defenses along the border. 
After that, the Czech leaders realized their situation would be hopeless if attacked and with no help from their allies.  The German invasion of Czechoslovakia in Spring 1939 was unopposed for these reasons.  Many Czechs then fled to other countries to fight in their armies and air forces.

We have a couple of Czech biplanes already that you can use.  I'm not sure about which bomber to use.
You can probably find more info by searching the net.
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Re: Czech airforce 1938?
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2011, 05:21:26 PM »

You will need a better map first

I have yet to see a 1:1 map of Germany and her entire border with Poland and your favorite
place Czechoslovakia. The two maps below are completely useless for your Cz 1938 endeavor.





The ABOVE  would be very unrealistic choices for your campaign.

If I were a map maker and was interested in historical  realism for the period 1938-39
I would make and populate one of the two maps below.


OR


If you do get this off the ground I look forward to it, as I have downloaded many of your missions from M4T back in the day.

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Re: Czech airforce 1938?
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2011, 05:27:48 PM »

The Poles should feel special.
The Allies did nothing about Austria, nothing about Czechoslovakia, nothing about the Soviet invasion  Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
But by God Poland was war!  8)
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Re: Czech airforce 1938?
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2011, 05:30:38 PM »



If you do get this off the ground I look forward to it, as I have downloaded many of your missions from M4T back in the day.
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I had you confused with CzechTexan  - I have flow some of CzechTexan 's M4T missions and they were very good
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LuseKofte

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Re: Czech airforce 1938?
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2011, 05:46:33 PM »

OK  that is why nothing is written about czech airforce during war, I found talented designers and developers within aviaton prewar. Well I go make atleast some QMB`s from the maps I got I like them very much.

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Re: Czech airforce 1938?
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2011, 06:47:01 PM »

Besides the obvious B.534 which was the main Czech fighter and S.328 as a light bomber/recce you can also use the SB as a stand-in for Avia B.71 bombers which were in fact license-built Tupolev SB's but with Hispano-Suiza inline engines and modified equipment and armament.

I don't think PZL.37 would be a particularly good fit as a stand-in for any Czech pre-war type.

Here is a list of the most important types in the pre-war Czech Air Force inventory:

Fighters:

Avia BH.33 - biplane fighter, thoroughly obsolete, being phased out
Avia B.534 - biplane fighter, arguably the best in the world, built in 4 distinct subtypes - the one we have in the game is the IV series with enclosed cockpit, the earlier versions had open accomodation; the main fighter in the Czechoslovakian Air Force
Avia Bk.534 - cannon-armed development of B.534 (engine-mounted Oerlikon 20mm + 2 machineguns) unfortunately very few were delivered with the cannon installed, usually they had another machinegun in its place
Letov S.231 - another biplane, fairly modern, was built in lesser numbers to complement the B.534's
Avia B.35 - only a handful of prototypes built before the German takeover, this was a true modern monoplane design with retractable gear and enclosed cockpit, it was supposed to start replacing the biplane fighters as soon as the full production line was set up

Light bombers and recce:

Aero Ap.32 - reconnaissance biplane and army cooperation plane with a secondary light bomber role; built in fairly small numbers and being phased out
Aero A.100 - light bomber and reconnaissance biplane, built in small numbers, still operational at the time of German takeover
Aero A.101/Ab.101 - enlarged version of the A.100, the original A.101 was a failure but with upgraded engine as Ab.101 it offered similar performance as the A.100.
Letov S.328 - another light bomber/recce biplane, already in game

Multi-engined aircraft:

Avia B.71 - license-built Tupolev SB with locally produced engines and equipment; Main bomber in the Czech arsenal
Aero A.304 - twin engined monoplane fast reconnaissance / light bomber developed from an unsuccessful airliner design; just about a dozen built before the German takeover
Aero A.300 - a modern fast bomber prototype developed from A.304; showed great promise but all development stopped after German takeover
Aero MB.200 - license-built French Bloch MB.200 twin-engined "heavy" night bomber, already thoroughly obsolete
Avia F.39 - three-engined heavy transport/bomber based on the Fokker F.IX airliner
Avia F.VII - license-built Fokker F.VII airliner/transport/bomber, being phased out in favor of F.39

That's pretty much it...
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Re: Czech airforce 1938?
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2011, 11:02:13 PM »

In UP 3.0 is map you need for this campaign I think. Cant say its name (havent got time seach for it now), but this map was used in big special online mission called "Palba 1938" where flew 100+ players. If I am mystaken, you can download mod for this action here and there is map included:
http://vwings.net/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=23&thread_id=3283

But I think that map is included in UP3.0 allready.
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Re: Czech airforce 1938?
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2011, 09:51:53 AM »

Any map in UP3 should be able to go into UP2.01 FMB
the code and compression is the same.

Open up UP3 and extract the FMB maps if no one
is willing to post the on SAS for everyone to D/L

I'm not going to go with UP3 until there are more 4.10 mods -
only 10 or 12 of the mods in my current mods folder will work in 4.10 UP3


here are the aircraft from the mission the KUKULO references in his post this is directly from the mission read me file:
The types of aircraft: Bf 109 B-2, C-1, D-1, He 111 P-2, Ju 87 B-2, Ju 52 / 3, He, 51, ??Fi-156, B-534IV, B-71 (WB -2.1935), S-328, DC-3, Tiger Moth. - All airport.
here is the map summer there is a winter version as well

here is the winter map


A tech -IL2 Map savvy person should grab the UP3 torrent and decompress the Cz Cela Map and make it available for FMB in the SAS Map ETO Section

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