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Moggy Cattermole

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UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« on: June 22, 2011, 10:00:31 AM »

... apparently so:

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Well it must be said, I've defended steam on this site - it has been rather handy at uni, I've bought games I mightn't've otherwise tried, and yeah, I accept new games I buy might insist on using steam. It was always mildly annoying to buy a game - a solid copy - only to find I may just as well have used steam anyway, since the game insisted on using steam, but I can't say it totaly ruined the exirience. A little extra faf here and there, but at least it doesn't need a disk which when you have limited space for games and so tend to swap them around, it can be handy to just download and away you go. And I can totaly understand why developers might want to use steam for distribution if they see £14 out of a £20 steam game rather than £7 from a £20 hard copy, I do sympathise.

But at the same time, well done the retailers that refused to stock steam games - Steam is annoying and for the most part I'd rather the videogames I bought did not use the bloody platform. I thank Bioware for its Dragon Age games and Mass effect games for this. I reserve a dirty look for Creative Assembly and its total war games. There's a reason I didn't preorder with steam....
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Re: UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 11:04:48 AM »

I once bourght a 2nd hand steam game Lotus Challenge + Caterham Challenge or something like it 2 years or so ago.

  Glad it only cost me £1.50, becuase I'd have to have sent of to America with a printed out steam paperwork filled for a new unlocking code with a recipt copy with all the selling shops details enclosed and an SAE. This wouldhave cost more money, taken possible a month or two, with no gaurentee of tting a new steam code.
Basically much too long winded and causing problems for using cheap/pre-owned steam as gifts.
 
  The lotus part half worked on my laptop, but it was fairly crap anyway, like steams customer service; apparently they have one.... anyways I uninstalled and binned it and haven't bothered with anything steam related since; except of course saunas/hot showers & coffee.

  As an anti-piracy and e-sales method/gimick/malware, steam was ok, one of the original install game from the net providers, but even so I can't say I'll lose any sleep if they lose our market if they don't shape up, better for the UK's own games industry prospects really.

  I think the reason behind why the retailers are being biased here; is because it very hard not to be biased about anything, is related to the resale long-winded-process/problems of reactivating a previously registered steam product (by a previous owner) to use for as yours/nephews/giftee's.
  When money is tight new games don't sell as well, but sales of pre-owned might stay roughly the same, maybe even rise, so....
 
  I don't blame those who go with it for the quicker & hence higher profit return - less peoaple taking their cut in an electronic based distribution network, who wouldn't, certainly, if part of your wages come this way...
  Hopefully something will be arrived at that suits the resale market here and those connected to Valve.
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Re: UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 01:52:31 PM »

I am tempet to say something. I came from the Record Industry. And I vividly remeber an afternoon in Cannes in France, in a lounge of a hotel with the founder of Napster, a guy of EMI europe, David Gresham (I think, or obe of those bigwigs), the MD of Sting Music(SA) and the manager of some little girl band, I think it was "B'witched" or something.

And the manager of the band was defending something about peer to peer exchages to the record label guys. Something like this:

Right, so you know there are two types of piracy, one is private technical copyright infringement, the other is commercial piracy.

The first, ptci, happens at the end user, it consist of illegal copy making for friends or personal use, sharing of ripped material with others without royalty regisrtation, ect.

The second, Commercial Piracy, comes mainly from china, consist of supertankers full of illegaly manufavtured CD's distributed through regular retail outlets, as well as illegal outslets.

The first is costing you about 5 to 10 % of your potential revenue at most. But it has the benifit of below-the-belt marketing which pays back most , if not more, of that revenue. (you will be shocked at the number of free concerts artists are expected to perform for marketing purpouses, to "get you introduced"...having that done by pimply teenagers who share MP3's is actualy saving you money..a LOT of money)

The second, Commercial Piracy is costing you about 30 to 60% of your potential revenue, on AVERAGE, and has zero benifits to the copyright holder.

You are trying to fight both of these now, using proposed CD copyprotection methods.

The impact of this on the first, PTCI, will be neglegible, with deminished returns in marketing due to user harrasment (frustration).

The impact it will have on the second, much more serious, threat, is, ZERO.

The impact it will have on your cost of production, per CD, to include proprietary software and mechanisms, that have to be continiously updated and managed, will be around 5% to 10% per CD , at the low end, for diminished below-the belt-returns. It will thus cost you a lot more money to fight teenagers who WANT to listen to the music, then just lettting them, and cashing in on that later.

So, gentlemen, when will you stop assaulting the fans of your artists, simply because you dont have the balls to go after the real bad guys?


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This nanny stuff with PC games these days is the same thing. It does ZERO to piracy, and is loosing the customers at a slow but steady trickle. Of course, to go the other way, requires a guy or team at the top with a lot of wisdom and insight, big balls, and a clear understanding of the big picture. Not something you get a lot these days with the prevalence of accountants as leaders.

I think what the guys was getting at is, peer-to-peer priacy, or private technical copyright infringement, is a fact oflife. Fighting it will cost you a bucket of money, and do nothing but piss off your fans. Rather roll with it, calculate for it, and, find a way to cash into it. Fighting it is like banging your head against a brick wall. Unless you are a Klingon, it's just going to hurt you.
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Re: UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 04:17:28 PM »

Well said, mate.
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Re: UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2011, 03:31:03 AM »

yeah - very well said, and very relevant coming from someone 'in' the industry'.... ;)
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Re: UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2011, 01:57:20 PM »

Such a shame that Ubisoft didn't think it appropriate to make a standard version of COD available for the stores and customers like me who won't have anything to do with Steam following previous problems with it.  I fully support the stand made by the UK sellers, there should be the choice of Steam or not.

I wasn''t aware of this policy till now, so that probably explains why I haven't yet seen a copy of COD in a shop in my home city. Or it maybe that Preston, Lancashire, is too far off the beaten track for 1C and Ubisoft in the bright new digital age eh. ;) 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete. ;D
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Re: UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2011, 01:25:04 PM »

Well - I have just had my first encounter with steam & I am raising more than just 2 fingers!  >:(
Have recently upgraded my pc to something pretty decent & eventually decided to splash out & get CLOD. Figured even though it is buggy, they would eventually sort it out with patches, and the graphics look awesome.
Was led to believe that you only needed steam to activate the game, but not to play?
Just installed & seems you do need steam to play – as I am now staring at a friging countdown clock which says  “ready to play in approx   4hrs 13mns”........WTF!    ???
I am seriously pissed!  If I bought the disk - I don’t mind registering on line – but why do I have to go through all this shit of launching the game half a day before I want to play it!
I have no problem buying games & supporting the gaming companies – but not if they are going to show me 2 fingers – same back to them and more! I  will purchase another copy of CLOD but this time the hacked version – time to go over to the dark side... or is that seeing the light?!   :-[
Any future game with steam will get the same treatment - I will activity support piracy from now when it comes to steam.
Long live SAS & this great community – UP3 is some much more satisfying than CLOD anyway.  ;)

...some good news – only 3hrs 55mins to go......yay!  ::)
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Re: UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2011, 01:28:23 PM »

calm down, its just auotmaticly updating CLOD to the latest vertion. When ever a patch cames out it will automaticaly install it.
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Re: UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2011, 01:45:29 PM »

Thanks Killer Ghost - just figured that out by going into the steam screen.
But its the principle - I want to control my own game & will do my own down loading of patches etc.
Why cant I play my own game now & will download the patches separately, will I have to wait every time one of the many patches, I anticipate coming out, has to load first?
Sorry just letting off some steam of my own!  ;)
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Re: UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2011, 02:05:41 PM »

ya you will have to wait, for the patch to be done and its a pain. But it wont install if you go offline. Tip: stay away from steam.
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Re: UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2011, 02:18:08 PM »

Cheers man - but some times you got to learn the hard way-like I have  ;)
I live in a great country - South Africa - but internet is slow & capped.
Murphy s Law - just gone over my cap limit for the month - so patch has stopped.
Just bought the game - so was excited to just check out, without the patch.
But still got UP3 - thank goodness!  8)
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Re: UK shops raise two fingers at steam
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2011, 04:21:48 AM »

you can order it not to automatically update, I've done that for games where patches have a tendancy to break mod packages *cough*empire total war*cough*
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