Two popular quotes are Erich Hartmann, he described his sole flight, the long safety instructions, and later the endless questioning of it, in the russian captivity on that sole ocassion.
Another one mentioning these severe Throttle movements was Hans Fay (Test-factory pilot) in his interogation after the first complete defection into Allied hands, on which basis the Allied Manual is based, both documents are recorded.
I remember Walter Schuck (StaKa JG7), Wolfgang Späte (GruKo JG7), Guido Mutke (JG/7), Franz Stiegler (JV44) and Mano Ziegler (Test-Pilot) also mentioning these too fast/harsh throttle movements led to ocassional fire.
From these persons Stieglers memories are very interesting, Historical accurancy on JV 44 "White 3":
Oblt. Franz Stigler
It was in early February 1945, when General Adolf Galland himself invited Stigler to join JV 44, the legendary "Squadron of Experts". Galland's only stipulation was to "bring a jet with him". Franz did just that. He actually took delivery of a brand-new Me 262 at the Leipheim Me 262 factory. The factory had been bombed earlier in the day and Franz was given permission to take the jet, rather than risking it being destroyed in another air raid.
This particular Me 262, coded "White 3", became his regular mount. This is unusual, as most JV 44 pilots did not had a regular aircraft, they usually flew what happened to be available. Franz relates that his "White 3" was considered a "hot" Me 262, a really good ship and he wouldn't allow anyone else to fly it. Only General Adolf Galland himself "pulled rank" and flew it on a few missions. It is interesting to note that over time "White 3" has somehow become associated with Galland. Stigler and Galland even joked about paintings showing Galland flying "White 3" - that Dolfo was actually flying "Franz's Me 262".
Unfortunately, "White 3" came to a sad end. Franz relates that a newly arrived Leutnant Pirchan persuaded Stigler to let him fly Stigler's “lucky White 3”. Soon after take-off Pirchhan crashed at Oberweissenfeld east of the München-Riem airfield, totally destroying the aircraft and was fatally wounded. He died a few hours later in a farmer’s field while being comforted by Stigler.
Me 262 characteristics were also factory made, poor ment it was not quality, Stiglers "3" was an exception amongst most Me 262.
Another thing worth mentioning and discussing would date back to as early as September 1944, RLM got aware of a significantly high number of Me 262 Accidents under non-combat situations. The largest number being located around the newly formed/merged Fighter Bomber KG(J)51 units based in Northern Germany, but other units where mentioned too.
Pilots suffered burnings and severe intoxications due to Jetfuels, further inspection had started, as they feared a loss of morale under their newly propagated Super weapon. RLM came to conclusion these accidents were fatal as the pilots clothing didn't fit the aircraft type's safety standard, Trials were held, a new durable heavy weight leather Combo was introduced, as early as in September 1944. Production of the Me 262 in full stage already started, the fire problem for the RLM was marked "Solved", still pilots would wore a mixed up equipment of lightweight, summer/winter, KG or Fighter gear, this leather combo remained rare, but can be seen on photographs depicting KG(J)54, JV44, EJG 2, after Sept. 1944, those I remember.
Ever wondered why Steinhoff only suffered burnings in unprotected areas, he was one of the lucky guys to have worn this combo.
What could be the cause, bad training situation, they were known to have horrid situations while on conversion and later in Training.
Most of the Training Flight-issues where held on A-1a Fighters, due to lack of Trainers.
Even early Jabo Groundattack Training of EKdo KG(J)51 was lacking enough A-2a types, converted Fighters were equipped to replace the gap, and even used in combat, until the end.
Hes not asking for engines that can be pushed harder/faster, he wants to know if engine flameout/shutdowns are possible than simply just catching fire like they do now.
But not on every ocassion, maybe a random, lucky thing, what you say, your Jumo is on Fire and you can cut off every fire? Not really, they were horrid and should stay, there must be another solution. Fire caused by wrong handling, should do Bumm.
Small Schrappnels or lil damage is sth. we should think about. What causes this? Über AI, worth thinking about.
But another thing is simply atm. we don't have enough AI Mods to test, most of my Losses are due to AI Snipers, Überbehaviour, and I think if we change the now 262 we than get über Me 262, like the Komet and it's Hulk DM, and sth. I would say definitely no, if it's made by Oleg, OK! let it be, but for humans it's perfect, AI isn't perfect for human.
I can handle my Me 262, except under AI pressure fire. Failures are now at an acceptable level, if we compare to stock 262.
What nerves me is AI, I think that's the key to a lot of Probs we're facing.
Using UP3RC2/DBW, I managed to do my first Schuck-like pass, 4 heavies in one pass. In full simulation, not Barbie IL-2.
In stock or earlier Modpacks, I was lucky to down 1, but this was not the fact in 99% of the missions.
I think this shows how Anto and others pushed the Me 262 here to an accurate level.
Thanks for the patience
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