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My List of Forgotten Maps Part 2
« on: July 05, 2011, 04:13:28 PM »

Greetings All,

                  This is Part 2 of my list of some maps that are either missing from the IL2 World, or of maps stock or mod, that I feel are not presented to best portray the operational realities of the campaigns in which I am interested. As before , I have not posted this in the requests thread, as I feel that these are ideas subject to discussion, and perhaps may both encourage members to offer information on the mentioned campaigns, or inspire others to offer further map ideas of their own.

1. Rostov on the Don.
   
    This Map will be a great complement to the new map of the Caucasus, and in summer and winter versions,
    will be useful to portray the end of 1941, as well as von Kleists advance during Operation Blau in the summer of 1942,
    as well as the grinding retreat of 1943.
    I suggest an area defined by Izium in the NW, Mariupol and Yeisk on the Sea of Azov in the SW, Proletarskaya in the
    SE, and Kalach in the NE with Kotelnikovo in the middle of the Eastern Map edge.
    This allows for an enormous variety of scenarios, summer and winter, and an OB featuring equipment from 1941 through
    1943.
   
     Rostov 1942   
     


2. Lower Yangtze River.
   
    This is maybe the most interesting of the lot, as it pertains to history in conflict that could represent actions from as
    far back as the 1920s, to the conflicts between Japanese warlords and the Kuonmintang, through the Japanese
    invasion in the late thirties, to full blown WW2 actions, and including post war conflicts between the Nationalists and
    the Communists. Plus I really want to entice a ship modder to build an Insect Class Gunboat (see my relevant Request
    thread here : 
https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,15679.0.html  ).

     An approximate E-W range would be some km of the East
China Sea in the East to Wuhan in the West , including Shanghai and Nanking.
 
   
     Gates of Nanking
     


3. Manchuria 1945.
   
    Those cagy Soviets! I had forgotten until I was researching these ideas briefly, that the Soviets waited to declare war
     on the Japanese until 2 days after the first A-bomb strike (8 Aug 1945), in order that they wouldn't have time to
      capitulate before they (the Soviets) had rampaged through Manchuria. Though the Japanese capitulated, and the
     Kwantung army signed on on Aug 17, fighting between the Soviets and the Japanese in Manchuria and the Kurile
     Islands until Sept 1 1945.
     I think this map should be centered in the area from Mukden/Tungwa to north of Talai S-N and Hsingan to Chonjin NW
     - SE.
     This area includes the initial Soviet attack in the NW by decoy forces, and the main strike through the Gobi Desert on
     Tsingan and Taonan, then through to Hsingking. W - SE.
   
      Manchuria 1945
     


4. Southern China.
   
    This map is to represent the late Japanese Offensive in southern China, beginning with Operation Ichi-Go in April 1944.
    The map should represent the area including Yiuyang in the north(central)  to Liuzhou in the south.
    The key area is the railine Changsha-Kwailin, along which were most of the American airbases in China.

     Operation Ichi-Go
     


5. Vienna to Breslau.
   
    This might be the most enticing for those European flyers, but also the most demanding of mapmakers and also simply
    difficult to make workable in Il2 with so many urban areas. Nonetheless, in my own head, I always saw it as the sister
    to my concept of the revised Balaton Map including Budapest (I found the stock map while visually interesting, to be
    simply unaccommodating to the historical operational areas really fought over in Central Hungary in the late winter of
    Jan-Feb 45 and the Spring Awakening Offensive of the Germans that same year. This map would cover the next phase
    of the crushing Soviet offensives of 1945, culminating in the Siege of Breslau(Wroclaw on the Map).
    This map should be about 300 x 300 km - thus not too big - and include Bratislava, Vienna, Linz, Brno, Prague, Breslau,
    and Dresden in the NW corner. In the interests of having any hope of it being doable, exclude Budapest to the south
     and Krakow to the east.

     ( I know this one is difficult)

    Fall of Vienna 1945
   

    Fortress Breslau
   


I hope these foster some discussion.


Kopfdorfer

   


   
 
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Re: My List of Forgotten Maps Part 2
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 12:20:44 PM »

anyone interested in any of these?


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Re: My List of Forgotten Maps Part 2
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 03:55:04 AM »

Area Vienna - Breslau is , perhaps, covered by the map

http://www.vwings.net/forum/viewthread.php?rowstart=220&forum_id=65&thread_id=3628#post_170632

at vwings.net, being there WIP as map of CSR1938.
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Re: My List of Forgotten Maps Part 2
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 07:28:58 AM »

Thank You, Uzin,

But I cannot find a button to translate to English on this site.
My ignorance is limiting, both in language, and in computer savvy.

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Re: My List of Forgotten Maps Part 2
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 08:11:49 AM »

I am almost sure that the map will appear downloadable also here when it will be released at vWings.net.
At present, you can at least view there the pictures of new objects which are under preparation  there.
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