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[KiwiBiggles]

Fellas, I have something to say about all this too, having read all the posts here and at Free-Modding.

Initially I twigged (or at least I thought I had) to the Beo/FM1 connection. If you noticed, early on, I found a lot of the info presented there so interesting I decided to make my own independent archive of it, to preserve it for posterity, just in case. I did so because I've seen a lot of good sites close over the years for many different reasons, such is the way of the internet, and the information lost. Some of the info needed just a little editing to put it in an 'archival' format; in the process of editing the text there were some pretty obvious patterns... and I was pretty sure FM1 was Beo. I kept it to myself, and anyway, I never twigged there were three other guys using the log-in also, truly it did throw me off the scent a bit.

I thought about it some, and decided it just didn't matter. The motivation to share information about a hobby we all love was well intended, I am absolutely sure of that, and any guises of anonymity are just plain none of my business. I put the whole issue of FM1's 'identity' out of my head, clearly he was an old hand with a lot of history whoever he was, and gave it no more thought.

Since then, I've had some personal dealings with Beo, even worked on some projects with him. It has been a delight! B is a generous and smart guy, it's devastating that he is so unwell and I can only hope for the best on his behalf. I deeply appreciate everything B (and FM1 :lol: ) have shared.

B and CirX have their differences, clearly. It happens in life, no more in this community than in family and business relationships I've observed in my own life. I've said as much privately to Beo that I have a lot of time for CirX and what he's done here at SAS. Same goes for 'Flak, and all the other SAS team guys too. I'm ever grateful for the hours of enjoyment I've had, and continue to have from this simple pastime, due to the efforts of so many wonderful people all over the community. I have always been treated fairly and with respect here at SAS as a 'public' member (and at all the other community sites too it should be said) and although I support the philosophy of 'openness' over at Free Modding, I also respect the SAS team's philosophy of 'privacy' in regard to some aspects of our hobby.

I decided to be a member of both sites. There with a different avatar, not because I thought secrecy was necessary, I just didn't see any need to overtly 'rub the noses' of the SAS guys when a new site started with a different philosophy to their own. I had no idea if anyone at SAS would see it as a slight for SAS members to join Free-Modding - it was my own decision to respect both groups by adopting a low profile (as modest as my contributions are). Over time, if anyone cared to notice, I slowly identified myself... not that it's in the slightest important except to say that I've not been treated any differently by anyone as a consequence, as far as I can tell. Of course, since those earliest days, many guys have joined Free Modding with the same online identity as here at SAS and other sites... and it simply isn't a big deal, which is a credit I think to both groups.

So back to the recent revelation regarding FM1's identity. I confess I felt a little deceived momentarily. It soon passed though. As I've said, I suspected Beo's involvement early on, then really gave it no more thought. I'm glad to know now the true nature of the FM1 'group'. I'm sorry that Beo and CirX don't see eye to eye, because I have great respect for them both. I'll continue (for what it's worth) to take each of them at face value, and actively support both these sites of which I'm extremely fond.

Respectfully
KiwiBiggles
aka WarBird

also posted at Free-Modding

[Dark Apostle]

*salute*

You pretty much nailed it on the head with this Kiwi: "Of course, since those earliest days, many guys have joined Free Modding with the same online identity as here at SAS and other sites... and it simply isn't a big deal, which is a credit I think to both groups."

Considering the "storm" of late Kiwi I can sort of understand why you may have felt it neccesary to make a post, but in all honesty matey you didn't have to. I highly doubt you being here or there is rubbing anyones nose matey, and as for coming and goings of any other members, it's honestly your own business where you choose to reside/post. Look forward to more of the excellent work you've been producing and best of luck in your endeavours.

[SAS~CirX]

Respectfully, Kiwi, you spoke well, but when you say "Beo and CirX don't see eye to eye", you imply that this situation is mutual.

The truth is I have no antagonism towards the old man. Never have. This whole thing is only from one direction, and not reciprocated. Unfortunately Beo has got it into his head that I am completely evil, and nothing I do or do not do can ever change that. Thus I am mostly silent about this.

If I do something bad, he will see it as proof that I am evil, if I do something good, he will say I am faking it, if I speak, it is because I am trying to manipulate, if I do not speak, it is because I am manipulating behind the scenes. If I am angry, I am being a bully, and if I am well mannered, I am being insincere. If I speak for myself, I am being dictatorial, and if others here speak their own mind, then I am obviously contolling their words.

You cannot fight that. I have never tried. The last time I communicated with Beo was when he retired, and I wrote to him that I understood that he did not want to be saddled up with site management here, and that if he started his own site, I'd be happy to support it. The reply I got was so ugly that I was shocked into total silence.

Nevertheless, when we found the website I put up a link to it. When Beo posted my version of ntrkwiz, which I specifically asked kindly for the people I shared it with to keep to themselves, I was very shocked. The way I found out whas when Verhangis PM'd me here to give him tech support with it, because my name is signed into it.

And then I saw that he did infact share it with everyone, and, did not even give a credit. When Crazyflak asked him to at least put a credit , he flatout refused, and insisted that I come beg for it personally.

This was the reason he was removed from the private modding forum, and why the link to that site was removed. Nothing else, no personal grudges, no ill feelings, just that one thing. Other than that, I seldom give the whole thing a thought.It does not bother me. A lot of my friends hang out there, and I have never had a problem with it. I dont go there, because most of the rants are aimed at me, and that is hurtfull and upsetting to me of course. I find it poisons my days, and so I'd rather be without it.

As proof of what I say, I can say, compare the amount of editorials on the FM site that rage against me, this site, even if not mentioned always by name, but by implication, with the amount of editorials I wrote here raging against him. I think my score is 0. 

The whole thing to me is very sad, but on the other hand, it is nice to know there is someone out there that thinks of you as an evil genius.

This is all I have to say about this, and I think all I will alow furthermore on this forum.

thank you
c

[SAS~Anto]

Don't want to be that guy that ruins a good ending to a film, but sorry Cirx!

Kiwi, we have no ill feelings if anyone is a members of a modding site and never will. It ain't a competition (Remember, half of the admin team used to be at AAA, and we don't see them getting lynched!) And as you mentioned, many SAS members are already over there, working on projects at both. I haven't join but browsed it a few times. Quite a cool little setup with lots of interesting projects, but for a site that isn't about politics, disappointing to see a disproportionate amount of such threads. Anyway! All that matters is that you are enjoying what you do and the gaming experience is enhanced by being involved in both communities.

Look forward to more of your work

[HundertzehnGustav]

Beo aka FM1 aka what ever he has got for other names. (bastard without agenda?)

At first i said... heck, forget it, its not important. People, just like me, do things nobody understands.
But yesterday, i went, and checked out this Freemodding Forum thing.
After reading his "close my account" request thread.

And, maaaan i find it ridiculous that he logs in as member1 and presents a project.
then as member2 and praises his own efforts
then as memeber 3 and asks questions about progress!

Ok... people do what ever they like, and i am not to play god and judge.

But i think it is okay if i say...
The Man just made a fool of himself right there... in my opinion.
"Shot himself in the foot" as one says... Funny as hell.

Lets see what he can do i say. To each his own.

[OberstDanjeje]

Cirx I always saw something evil behind your avatar

[SAS~Malone]

guys, i think the points of this thread have been made, and any further comments would be superfluous.
let's all just try the 'live and let live' option, and we'll all be fine.
i'm locking this, before someone decides to start flamewars round #3290034....