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Baco

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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #96 on: January 26, 2013, 09:31:40 AM »

Nice!!!

The FM is goint to be tricky, to make it tale off with that load and not become supersonic when empty, jejejeje
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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #97 on: January 26, 2013, 09:45:52 AM »

Uh, why would a heavy bomber go supersonic? I can determine in the FM what the top speed is. (Or I could just ask in the FM Request section)
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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #98 on: January 26, 2013, 10:41:07 AM »

New Update:

She is now in the YB-75 Stage. I have armed her with her MGs, but first I have got to work on the LODs. the D0 Model is basically complete. Its just I need to get the D1-D3 model done with shadows, caps, hooks, etc.

Enough rambling, Time to show the pics:





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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #99 on: January 26, 2013, 12:57:17 PM »

I think it' s interesting how closely it's beggining to resemble the Convair YB-60. Just lose the turrets (as they would hve done on a modern bomber anyway) and you are almost there. You could always just morph this into a B-60 when you get your B-75 done.

Good to see a modeller in training and the evolution of your skills. I tried to get into one of these programs yrs ago, and I couldn't even write my name after 3 mos of trying. Im impressed.

Re: the gun turrets, the B-36 had 4 top turrets that withdrew into the fuselage, armed with 2 20mm each, two turrets per side. It had a twin 20mm mount in the nose, and of course the twin 20mm in the tail. You rarely see pix of the turrets though. I have (somewhere around here) an old B-36 manual that is huge and had all those details (at least I still hope it's somewhere around here).

I suggest just getting rid of the externally mounted turrets, as the YB-60 deleted those. Also, they would have used 20mm, as .50 was just too inadequate for jets, as was discovered in Korea. Although the USAF stuck to the .50s for quite a while, as the B-52s had them through the G model (though they finally went with the 20mm Vulcan in the H). Note that the Tu-4 B-29 clone had 23mm replacing the .50s in all its turrets. I think changing the calibre would be fairly simple, wouldn't it? would make them far more effective against jets.

One more suggestion and I'll go away....for a bit. Take a look at the Soviet Tu-16 Badger. It had external turrets to begin with, and was a fairly straight forward design with those big engines in the wing roots, and not externally mounted. I don't know how these 3d programs work, but I would bet that might be a bit easier than having to mount pylons. Could you just increase the size and mod the shape of the engines you have now, and insert them into the wing roots of a design, staggered a bit?
Somebody might take a close attempt at that pretty seriously, as such might be very useful in the 56 jet stuff if it were close enough.   :o

Sorry to ask so many questions, but this is really fascinating. I used to do similar stuff, but just drawing, since we didn't have too much computer tech in the 70s. I was one of the first kids in my school to get a calculator.  ???  You remind me of me 40 yrs ago.  :P

Oh and don't forget; in the B-36 manual it has the limitations on manuvering with a serious looking -
WARNING: aerobatics in this aircraft are strictly forbidden.

I even thought that was hilarious when I first read that when I was about 12 yrs old.  8)
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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #100 on: January 26, 2013, 01:46:13 PM »

Thanks for the suggestions, but as it is a self designed bomber I am going to keep the turrets. As the ECM capability of IL-2 is very limited.
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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #101 on: January 26, 2013, 06:33:52 PM »



Oh and don't forget; in the B-36 manual it has the limitations on manuvering with a serious looking -

WARNING: aerobatics in this aircraft are strictly forbidden.

 ;D  that is what they also said to the pilot who flew a 747 Jumbo airliner upside down in a twist , but he did it anyway
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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #102 on: January 27, 2013, 05:39:31 AM »

looking good
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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #103 on: January 28, 2013, 09:40:44 AM »

Yeah, the prototype 707 was rolled while the test pilot demonstrated it with no problems, but I kinda think the B-36 would be a bit under powered for that, even with the 4 jets. Those things would have been great targets for anything that could reach them, but reaching them was a bit of a problem until the Mig-19 came along. They were way too slow.

The Soviets certainly didn't give up on turrets, as they put them on all of thier bombers for yrs, Mya-4, Tu-95. I still would make them cannon and not mgs though.

I used to do all sorts of this stuff with Estes model rockets, designing my own with some success. I had several frog and grasshopper test pilots; only one grasshopper bought the farm when the engine mount I designed malfunctioned and jettisoned the engine rather than activating the parachute :o. God the carnage. I won't even go into the massive meter long multi stage job that i never got to test fly. The evolution of this project kinda reminds me of the evolution of my rocket designs, and what we did before computers.  :P
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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #104 on: May 01, 2013, 01:33:57 AM »

An awesome addition could also be the Convair B-36J Peacemaker ;)
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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #105 on: June 04, 2013, 03:16:07 PM »

Curious... Is this project still alive?
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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #106 on: June 07, 2013, 11:00:34 AM »

Sort of, I am working on it from time to time.
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Re: XB-75 "Moscow"
« Reply #107 on: June 11, 2013, 06:19:39 PM »

Well if you get any real progress done, please post it for us to see, as this is very fascinating to me.  8)
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