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[tanda01]

HaHaHa . . . I guess I'm not the only one. Same thing happens to me in a Battle of Britain campaign I'm flying. In my case my fearless flight of 3 will leap into battle with 20+ Me-109's and merrily get wiped out time and time again. There is no sense of self preservation - but I don't want to get into AI bashing . . . (it's the only AI we got)

 

[Shardur]

The campaign difficulty seems to vary with the country you are playing. I'm also playing on the German side in '41 and its a totally different story from my P-51B campaign.

On the last mission we took of with 8 Bf-109E-7/N and 8 Bf-109F-4 against 6 Blenheim bombers, 6 Spitfire Vb and 6 Spitfire IIb. We killed all 18 red planes without a single loss on the blue side, I got 2 Spitfires myself.

[tanda01]

Yes, I think it has to do with the gunnery of Expert pilots in this sim.  They blast everything out of the sky.

I recall reading of epic air battles during the Battle of Britain with 40 vs. 40 and only one or two losses from each side.

I also recall a story from Malta where George Beurling's squadron of 12 spitfires intercepted 8 unescorted Ju-88's and were estatic to claim 4 victories. In actuality, only one failed to return back to base.

Air-air gunnery was never that good and victory's were very difficult. Or pilots had more self preservation instincts.

These daily slugfests where one side decimates the other side make it hard to keep a running campaign.

[CWMV]

Yes, I think it has to do with the gunnery of Expert pilots in this sim.  They blast everything out of the sky.

I recall reading of epic air battles during the Battle of Britain with 40 vs. 40 and only one or two losses from each side.

I also recall a story from Malta where George Beurling's squadron of 12 spitfires intercepted 8 unescorted Ju-88's and were estatic to claim 4 victories. In actuality, only one failed to return back to base.

Air-air gunnery was never that good and victory's were very difficult. Or pilots had more self preservation instincts.

These daily slugfests where one side decimates the other side make it hard to keep a running campaign.

Bingo!
In the sim its easy to say "Ok Ive got a yak on my nose and a Lagg on my tail...but I think I can get the Yak before the Lagg catches me"
doubt that would happen in reality.

[Boelcke]

Guys, it´s a game, with all it´s limitations. Reality and the game are different things - the AI can´t disengage or avoid engagements, if there are enemy planes near, they fight till the bitter end. The Ai pilots always recognize other planes even if they are under the clouds. In realty it was common to attack with the sun in your back, that´s useless in IL2 ... and so on.

So it´s impossible to engage large enemy formations without a real carnage on both sides.

It´s true that the German campaign is different to the allied - of course, in history it was different to fly and fight as German pilot and i´ve tried to show this in the campaign. And of course not every subcampaign for allies or axis is like the others, i´ve changed the number of planes and the skills for every time frame. Of course it´s easy in tthe game to slaughter some Blenheims and Spit´s with the Fw 190, but in 1941/42 the air war was fought mainly with these planes at the channel, so what should i do?

The biggest problem is the allied campaign, it is absolutly unrealistic if you encounter the same number of german planes as allied pilot in the later stages of war. Doing this in the game, it will result in a milk run for an allied pilot, boring, no challange. So the only way to make it more challanging is to increase the skills of the (outnumbered) german pilots/planes. But that works not always. It also depends on which plane you´re using. The P51 is in IL2 not a very good performer, the P47 is much better. The german planes are very powerfull with their heavy armarment, so it´s sometimes easier to fly these. Also the sniper AI gunners of the bombers are totaly unrealistic ...

That are only some of the many limitations.

Keep in mind that the Westfront campaign is a huge universe of the whole air war in the ETO with more than 2000 missions, together with the large skin pack it is the result of some 4 or 5 months of continious work ... i´m not a developer studio, i´m a one man show, it´s impossible for me to test each subcampaign with every flyable plane, expecting this is truely unrealistic   ... and you don´t have to pay for my work.

[Shardur]

I'm not complaining to you, I actually think this is one of the best campaigns out there. I just thought I did something wrong.

I started the German campaign in '40 over France flying the Bf-109E-1 and are now in a sub campaign with the Bf-109E-7/N.
the German campaign started somewhat challenging but is easier or sometimes even very easy now in '41 where we try to defend France.

The American campaign I started in '43 in the P-51B started with some very good but extremely hard missions that all ended in disaster.

Some of them where lost due to poor formation of the allied planes. We kept coming into the fight in small groups while the Germans where all already there. Do you think setting "Air Start" in the difficulties would help there?

Also the German planes are not outnumbered in my '43 P-51B campaign, we either have equal numbers or are outnumbered up to 2 to 1 and the Germans seem to have better skills. I have no idea how skills are handled in Dgen, it might be a result of the combat so far.

[Boelcke]

Skills in dgen campaigns are set in the database files for each part of the campaign.

There are some settings in the conf.ini, where you can adjust dgen campaigns it a little bit to your taste. Before reworking our A&A site we had a guide about conf.ini tweaking for dgen campaigns on our old site - but it´s not reuploaded since then. I´m just at work, but i will check it and post it here in the next days.

[Semor]

Boelke,if its ok,maybe I can help out. 

Shardur.. and for all the other DGen maniacs..here is the confic.ini.guide for Dgen. Hope this helps to adjust your confic.

https://www.mediafire.com/?cf6ct50mtwj30dd

EDIT:
For those of you who have problems with Mediafire,here is an alternate Download link:

http://www.gamefront.com/files/21864584/DGen_Confic__Guide_7z

Have a nice day. 

[Boelcke]

thx semor, that´s what i meant

EDIT: Shardur, check your PM please.

[Boelcke]

I have uploaded the guide for tweaking the conf.ini for DGEn campaigns again:

http://www.axis-and-allies-paintworks.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?1539

i think this will be usefull for people who like dgen campaigns, feel free to comment the guide on our site

[jeanba]

Thank you
Even for people like me, who think they know DGEN, it is a good read

[Eldo]

I am getting a high-pitched beep when attempting to start any of the campaigns. The stock campaigns work fine.