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[352nd_Hoss]

Monty27 put these in his Full Monty Pack (and full credit to C6 Claymore) and I was really suprised at the details of the aircraft and detail in the cockpits, the other nice one was the Cats Tony Pack......

Nice work Claymore.. keep it up...

[CWMV]

did you add the two necessary lines to the .rc?

Yes, I did. Sorry, I forgot to mention it in my post above. Thanks for your reply anyway. 

@Karo as this pack was not specialy dedicated to HSFX 5.0 I think the best thing for you is update your game to HSFX6.0, with this you will have a big part of my pack which is inclued in

I use both versions (5 and 6) of HSFX on my PC. The reason I want to have your awesome Fw-190s in my HFSX5 is that, it allows me to use Aachen's FM (Expert mode) and MODS folder, which is not possible with HSXF6

HSFX6 would force me to use Team Deadalos FM for Fw-190. I'm not a fan of it. IMHO is screwed up.   

Claymore, would it be possible to extract some plane and cockpit models from your SFS files and to make them usable in MODS folder? For example Fw-190A-8?

Well TD's stick 4.11 fm is so close to what aachen was working on that they used it instead, so why cherry pick? The aero engeneer seems to think its right.

[BravoFxTrt]

Well after making an new DBW Game version, my Fw-190 install doesn't show all the birds in QMB, like missing cockpits and the like. I been working to fix it myself but come up with no joy.

[karo]

Well TD's stick 4.11 fm is so close to what aachen was working on that they used it instead, so why cherry pick? The aero engeneer seems to think its right.

TD's FM for Würger is overmodeled. The plane doesn't loose energy during the flight at all. You can do the basic level flight at 0.8 ATA without any fear of losing speed (around 400 km/h) nor hight. In a REAL plane that wouldn't be possible (at least 1.1 ATA). Now the landing, is true thriller. If you don't start it far and low enough you will pass the strip, because the propeller pitch doesn't work at all. TD has forgotten that in a real plane the propeller can be used by a pilot as an airbrake. In TD's Fw-190 you can switch the engine off and you can glide without problem. In a real Fw-190, if the engine malfunction happened, the pilot could only jump, because the plane started to deal with the air like a brick. The temperature of the engine maintained during the flight seems to be incorrect too - Würger was famous of its engine (BMW801) overheating problems.

I was very surprised that Aachen's accepted TD's FM, because his FM for Fw was much better. Maybe he should revise his decision...   

[CWMV]

Whats your background? How long have you been flying/maintaining aircraft? Im sure given your expertise Aachen and TD would love your input.

[Ass Eagle]

I dunno lol. I can land the A-8 & D-9 at roughy 5km from base roughly 2000m altitude cruising at 400kph IAS, I can get down to 160kph IAS and land.

But IF you wanna talk about real, they been lots of fotos of 190's belly landing ( 1 or 2 blades bent, indicating non-powered flight usually).. I don't think they landed themselves. Just read the book "Operation Bodenplatte: The Luftwaffe's Last Hope". LOts of damage reports in there which include non-powered belly landings.

Overheating was overrated. Atoned to Pilot error most of time.

Speaking of bailing out, look at REAL P-40 pilot guides.. under non-powered landing, most pilots put a big "X" over it and wrote - "F*uck it, bail out".

[BravoFxTrt]

1 bullet in the cowl, your landing dead stick in a P-40, or bail the hell out, or what Ice says, lol.

[CWMV]

Took the 190 for a spin(HSFX 6), not sure why I should have just slammed my face into the wall.
The thing is a brick, and incapable of aerial combat other than boom-n-zoom.
Exactly what allied testing determined it to be 

Didn't have any problem landing though. If you fly a proper pattern it practically lands itself.

[karo]

Whats your background?

My background...
- Fw-190a-8 Manual - from July 1944 (both versions: in German and English - translated),
- "Butcher Bird. Fw-190" Edward Shacklady's - that's really an awesome book
- Monogram Close UP Fw-190,
- Monografie lotnicze, Nr17 i 18 Fw-190A/F/G (it's in polish),
- Memorandum Report On Fw-190 (Army Air Forces Materiel Command form 6th Dec 1943)
- Navy Test Report - Fw-190A-5/U4 - from January 1944
- some experience as a real pilot (aeroclub)

How long have you been flying/maintaining aircraft?

Well, long enough to see the difference between TD's FM and Aachen's from HSFX5.

I don't thing that TD's Fw-190 is all wrong. The plane flies well at high ATA (and hight engine RPM), but strange at low ATA.

I dunno lol. I can land the A-8 & D-9 at roughy 5km from base roughly 2000m altitude cruising at 400kph IAS, I can get down to 160kph IAS and land.

 
I didn't write down that landing was not possible. It's difficult and looks strange because the plane doesn't loose energy, even with gear down, full flaps and the throttle cut off. TD's Fw-190 approaches the strip like a B-17 bomber rather than the small plane with high wing loading

But IF you wanna talk about real, they been lots of fotos of 190's belly landing ( 1 or 2 blades bent, indicating non-powered flight usually).. I don't think they landed themselves. Just read the book "Operation Bodenplatte: The Luftwaffe's Last Hope". LOts of damage reports in there which include non-powered belly landings.

I didn't write down that the "belly landing" was not possible in Fw-190. I wrote that flying this plane without engine was extremely dangerous (in contrast to Spitfire). Pilots preferred to bail out rather than to belly-land the plane.

"Oper. Bodenplatte" is a quite different situation. After the strike, most of Luftwaffe planes were escaping/returning home at low altitude. When they were shot down, pilots didn't have time (and altitude) to bail out, so they had to belly-land. Can you imagine to bail out from the plane at 300 feet (around 100 meters)? I can't.         

Overheating was overrated. Atoned to Pilot error most of time.

Yes, it was so overrated, that at the beginning of Fw-190 program RLM was considering to abandon it and Kurt Tank blamed BMW for designing the engine that had no practical use for powering a fighter aircraft  

Guys, you didn't understand me. I don't want to "dog-fight" with you. I just want to explain my ponit of view. I'm not going to convince anybody to it too. You can think, what you want. Even that TD's FM is the best in the world and very close to the real plane. I don't really care about this.
In my opinion TD's Fw-190 FM is overmodeled (so it sucks). That's it.

Ps. 
You say that TD wanted to do Fw-190 a perfect simulated plane... Really?
Why didn't the team correct flaps of the plane in the game (HSFX6 is 4.11 based) and the incorrect "combat flap" is still available?
According to the real Fw-190 manual, the pilot could choose only one of three positions:
- raised up,
- take off - 13 degree elevation (10 in other sources),
- landing - 58 degree elevation (60 in other sources) 
Didn't TD know about it?

I don't buy TD's explanation. That is why I prefer to use HSFX5. 
                 

[karo]

Karo, Does HSFX give you good expectations and realism? Im just curious.

Good expectations and realism of what?
- FM of the planes?
- aerial combat?
- all stuff and sounds in the cockpit?
- commanding my wingman and squadron?
- Al behavior?
- maps and terrain details?
It's not easy to answer all these questions...

[C6_Claymore]

@Karo, to use the pack on HSFX5.0 try to install the 4.09 version following the read me procedure, I think it should work because this version was dedicated for UP2.01 or other modded pack in 4.09.

If you get a CTD at 70% it can be caused by the buttons files, please activate the log.lst in your install and report it here if you get any trouble

[karo]

Karo, Does HSFX give you good expectations and realism? Im just curious.

Check your mail box my friend

@Karo, to use the pack on HSFX5.0 try to install the 4.09 version following the read me procedure, I think it should work because this version was dedicated for UP2.01 or other modded pack in 4.09.

If you get a CTD at 70% it can be caused by the buttons files, please activate the log.lst in your install and report it here if you get any trouble

Thank you Claymore! I will try to do that this week, and then to report the result to you