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AntEater

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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #84 on: December 28, 2011, 10:13:28 AM »

Thanks a bunch.
For some reason I have always hoped that one day the Ba.65 would make it into Il-2
Even weirder:
Now the plane works (thought it has no workable gunsight) but Il2 crashes when I leave the QMB.
Weird.
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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #85 on: December 28, 2011, 11:17:11 AM »

The Ba65 gunsight is a story in itself - a very primitive gunsight was originally mounted (a simple vertical metal tube with a very small "eye" at the top and to aim the pilot use this together with the cockpit frames  - BTW it was the same thing in the chato where the gunsight was used only for the shooting itself after the aiming has been done by framing the target between windshield frame and the inverted V of the upper wings. From photo evidence, it seems that it Spain at least one of the Ba65 was equipped with a reflex visor (San Giorgio? or a Revi taken from a He51?)
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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #86 on: December 28, 2011, 06:00:23 PM »

Ba65A80TurretM     

Inside view on BA 65 80 Turret Only this got it

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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #87 on: December 29, 2011, 02:49:49 AM »

You have probably installed Birdman's fix, and if incorrectly done this will change of the center of gravity of the plane but not of the cockpit - Easiest thing is to reinstall the original Ba65 files.
Birdman's fix is a great addition to the He46 and is a must for this plane, but for the Ba65 it is more a question of personal preference.
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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #88 on: December 29, 2011, 02:55:22 AM »

Samurai Hi!
The 3dmodel has a long story - if you pay attention to the main fuselage meshes of the various versions, you'll discover that they are all different - I had a lot of problems first with the source documents - I made a mistake of using the Ali d'italia Ba65 booklet as a reference - it is full of contradictions and had quiet a number of mistakes. It was mostly difficult for the arcone L and the biposto versions, where the contradictions between photos and plans were sometimes flagrant. Then I had to compromise in order to be able to ue the macximum of common parts for all the versions. As a matter of fact I worked on these models well before the Ro37 (this last model beneficiated from the experience painfully acquired on the Ba65) and other models since created (but not yet exported  :D) of increasing complexity. When I made the Ba65 models, I used mainly boolean cutting - with all its problems - since then I discovered how to use correctly the procutter function of 3dmax - much better than boolean cut and even than the proboolean cut but very "touchy". Yes, there is place to improve the forward fuselage - happily skinning generally compensate these defaults - so let's wait first till Nashprod is in better health for his skins and template. :)



Well to put it briefly, I so have understood, here still to saw and saw? :)

And here by the way still. Not clear thing. I only ????? have noticed. On all Italian bombers at me why that, rear arrows tower, shoot always by! That is even at level of skill the expert to a thrust block don't get. I ??????? thought when tested Ro37 that it only on it so. On it even from course machine guns, under control of the computer, don't get! And rear too ?????????????. And has then looked and isn't present! Arrows all in general Italian smear. From what it can be? They ?????? shoot as though purposely that ????????? at other party in general!
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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #89 on: December 29, 2011, 03:56:36 AM »

Oh yes, we'll get more improvements done, as we get more feed-backs from players.
About the behaviour that you describe, it seems that you are confronted to one of these typical Il2 annoyances - just as a curiosity, is the chat you hear in your plane in Italian? You must always arrange your Il2 settings (in QMB/FMB) to ensure that the new plane is really recognized as Italian (or Spanish) by the Italian (or Spanish) AI w- if not the AA tower will shot at you went you take off and your turret gunner will keep shooting at friendly targets! It happens quite often with new aircraft, not only the Ba65. I do not understand why it is not automatic (as the country is specified in the Java file and the air.ini file) but Il2 engine seems to need to "learn it".
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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #90 on: December 29, 2011, 05:10:37 AM »

Hi, thanks for this plane. I've got it working in DBW 1.6. [Earlier, I did a couple of missions using the R-10 as a stand in. ]There is only one hitch. I can only select the default skin in FMB. I've called the skin folder Ba65, and it's in paintschemes/skins. The skins I downloaded are all .bmps. No doubt it's some botch up I've made. Any ideas on how to fix it would be very welcome. Thanks again for the Ba65.

cheers

David Prosser

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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #91 on: December 29, 2011, 05:22:18 AM »

Hi, thanks for this plane. I've got it working in DBW 1.6. [Earlier, I did a couple of missions using the R-10 as a stand in. ]There is only one hitch. I can only select the default skin in FMB. I've called the skin folder Ba65, and it's in paintschemes/skins. The skins I downloaded are all .bmps. No doubt it's some botch up I've made. Any ideas on how to fix it would be very welcome. Thanks again for the Ba65.

Skin folders are named by using the first part of an air.ini entry. Here are a few examples of names you would use for the Ba65 skin folders.

Ba65K14BiplaceEarly
Ba65K74TurretM
Ba65A80ArconeL
Ba65A80Monoplace
Ba65A80TurretM

Since there are 7 entries for all the variants, you'll also need 7 different skin folders should you wish to have skins for all models of the Ba65 available.

Once you remember to take the first part of an air.ini entry as folder name, it is very easy.

You can also change the first part of an air.ini entry should you so wish, if you wish to give the aircraft another designation, or add a nicknamed to the name you'll see in game. This should not effect the plane working. But if you do so, remember to change the skin folder name accordingly.
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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #92 on: December 29, 2011, 05:36:55 AM »

All the updates are now included in the main download link in the first post

The main Download (updates included) is now
http://ifolder.ru/27880535
or
https://www.mediafire.com/?ym7wimyc61uh6q2

(updated 29/12/11 - All the updates are now included in this main download)

This does not include Birdman's fix.
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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #93 on: December 29, 2011, 04:34:40 PM »

Hello

I just tested the K14M as a target for a hurricane : the engine burns very quickly
Nonetheless, it is a nice addition to the collection, thank you
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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #94 on: December 29, 2011, 11:46:24 PM »

 Funnily enough, I thought of the separate skin folder for each variant just before going to bed. The idea must have gone in one ear, and out the other overnight. Your solution is correct. Thanks for posting so quickly too. The solution was up within about 20 minutes.  For the moment, I've only done a skin folder for the variant I'm using in the proposed BA65 campaign. It's some weeks away from completion. I'll add the Ro37 too, if I can get it to work in DBW 1.6.

cheers

David Prosser

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Re: Breda Ba65 K14 & A80 ready to DL (7 versions) - updated 26/12/11
« Reply #95 on: December 30, 2011, 07:55:15 AM »

With a bit of copy and glue, three more skins for those who have appreciated this interesting and nice
Ba65  .. waiting for some authentical skinner, deal with it in a more professional way..





Link : https://www.mediafire.com/?exu9r0c7qulucaf
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