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[Docholiday]

Hallo.

First
I wish You all a happy new year !


The second reason I twrite this post is to brake a lance for the fans of twomot fighters 

I beg for the revision of the FM of the Mosquito Fighter-bomber and the Ju-88C.

Especially the handling characteristics of these two planes are terrible.

I have not made tests for the speed and climbing speed of the two mots (Ju-88C6, Mosquito, BeaufighterX). So I can`t say anything about these thing. In generally I am really bored of all these  .. over and over amd over and over... discussed FMs of  all these singlemot-fighter planes.....


BUT  the handling of the Mosquito and especially the Ju-88C6 feels wrong.

Did somebody ever try to land the Ju-88C ?   It`s head heavy, the lift is too high (You can turn with the singleseats).... aso.

For the Mosquito: It feels sluggish and underpowered.

I read  the book "Bloody Biscaya" of Chris Goss: The most important planes were Ju-88C, Mosquito, Beaufighters.

After I had the impression that these planes were real long range fighters. Fast and nimble.

Especially the Mosquitos were THE medicin against these marauding swarms of Ju-88C of the KG40 who caused heavy losses under the british anti submarine planes.
They were as feared of the german fighter crews as the P-51 was over "The Reich"

I know: the thousands of online single seat fighter-pilots have more Lobby in the community  but perhaps somebody will find the time and the passion to revise the FM of these very long range fighters too.  In history they fought a hard fight too.


already thanks for Your hard work !


Doc

[Kopfdorfer]

Hear Hear Doc,

                     I am soooo with you on these - most especially the Mossie, and I have posted regarding this in a few threads over the years.
At one point the Germans formed a JagdGeschwader/squadron JUST to intercept Mossie Intruders (from Galland's "The First and the Last"), and after a few months reassigned it because it was not successful.
Additionally, Galland refers more than once to accelleration as a key to successful fighter combat, and with great deference to the FM writers around here, it seems, sounds and feels to me when I fly (some aircraft) that max speed graphs are consulted and often accelleration is not modelled, or perhaps not given the same shrift as max speed/velocity in the FM department.
Modders please take this a a constructive comment, not simple criticism - I may be speaking out of turn ; I am only presenting my own impression.
The in game mossies can't pull away from much.

Hope you get some action on this.

Kopfdorfer

[LuseKofte]

I almost all the time fly twomotors Fighters when I fly, I got a two engine throttle and a Chessna yoke to fly with, so my favorites should be easy to spot. I second Docs request.

[vanir]

Getting correct acceleration without throwing the upper envelope performance out of whack is a real limitation in the il2 engine that I found.
It took a lot of trial and error playing with the emd, especially things like compressorRPMcurvature and compressorSpeedManifold values in conjunction with other emd values to get the ta152C0/1/3 pack get their acceleration right, whilst keeping upper envelopes right.

I wound up taking it to a physics forum at one point and they could only say after looking over it, the game engine is very limited and shouldn't be confused with any kind of genuine flight simulator. And it doesn't help that it's originally written in russian, which really doesn't translate well to west euro languages at all because of the way it uses words can be very confusing even when translated.

anyway point is, very tricky to get low speed performance characteristics right, and upper envelope characteristics right, at the same time in this game engine. mostly what happens is the more you get one right, the more it prevents you getting the other right. Lots of compromises and weeks and weeks of trial and error are involved for each particular aspect you're trying to mod, if you really want to get it realistic.

Hope someone does take it on for you, but it's a much bigger job than it seems...and the modder themselves doesn't know if all that time, hundreds of man-hours in total is going to be a complete waste of time.

[Screwball]

Argh, why is it so rarely good news?! A familiar tale, sadly vanir. I'd also love to see the Mossie get a bit of TLC, but it does sound a formidable amount of work. There's been a Beau in the works at AMT for a little while now...I'm not sure who's working on her "very technical flight model" (yippee!) but maybe they'd be a good first contact for someone wanting to look over some of the other twins. The other thought is having a chat with Oceanic Wing team working on the Westland Whirlwind, as it's an aircraft dear to one or two hearts over there and I'm sure they're keen to get her controls feeling just right. There's been no word on either for some time now, but as we know, that's often not a bad sign and I'm sure the people working on those two projects will be about somewhere  Maybe they'd be able to offer some useful suggestions or work arounds to achieve certain FM effects in twins. Or maybe I'm way off the mark 

Anyway, just my tuppence on a potential line of enquiry should someone want to take on this challenge 

Screwy