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[juanmalapuente]

I don't know if these 4.11 planes are developed just for 4.11 AI. I mean, some of them have a weird behaviour as AI. Some Hs-123 just crash on floor when dogfighting in deep dive and some CANT Z 506 land on a field when are full of bullet holes.  ???

[agracier]

I don't know if these 4.11 planes are developed just for 4.11 AI. I mean, some of them have a weird behaviour as AI. Some Hs-123 just crash on floor when dogfighting in deep dive and some CANT Z 506 land on a field when are full of bullet holes.  ???

Maybe the landing in a field should be taken as an emergency landing ... it would not be unreasonable when you are shot full of holes and maybe leaking fuel. And quite possibly some planes were not able to pull out of a steep dive at times ... that may be the intention ... but if it happens consistently then it is another matter ...

[juanmalapuente]

I can live with that. Only that I never saw before the AI landing floatplanes on ground (I've done it). About the crash in steep dive, well Hs-123 were the first stukas, intended for dive bombing...actually, I was chasing them in another Hs-123 and didn't crash.
I'm not saying I'm better pilot than AI . Sometimes I force enemy planes into ground crashing, some types do this more often than others. My favourite way is making them prosecute me to a forested steep slope and climb abruptly in the last moment.
The problem is that game doesn't count them as destroyed enemies. 
I'll keep trying these to see what else they do.

[FANATIC MODDER]

Big thanks to Epervier and daidalos team but why the real star of the 4.11 release (3D model accuracy seems incredible and possibly FM is as good as it could be) is available only as a AI plane for me is a mystery.

I don't know if these 4.11 planes are developed just for 4.11 AI. I mean, some of them have a weird behaviour as AI. Some Hs-123 just crash on floor when dogfighting in deep dive and some CANT Z 506 land on a field when are full of bullet holes.  ???

Ha! The new much-praised AI it may be more 'spectacular' but I 've seen but in many cases is not essentially more realistic that the previous one. The DBW AI mod is still the best we have for now.
It has nothing to do with the plane itself. I tried the HS 123s and I 'd say the FM feels much more normal to me than the UP Hs 123, when the UP Hs 123 is not essentially different from the CR 42, the new HS 123 is...It still feels like a biplane fighter but has a very solid feel, is stable, especially in a dive it shows. It's like the P-47 of biplane fighters. Yes, ok, it was not designed as a fighter, but try them in dogfights - not in 4.11 - with CR.42, I-15, Gladiators etc. (now we have a lot biplane fighters...) and is competent. Possibly better than the He 51 I d' say.

[juanmalapuente]

I still don't know how 4.11 AI works because I didn't install it yet. All my trials with Hs-123 have been in DBW. What I already commented in another post is that I always felt that AI behaves pretty differently depending on various factors.
For instance: in the same mission, with the same enemy planes, you choose an inferior plane and enemies that were running away before are attacking you now. That's realistic, but try other thing, same mission, same planes, different map, suddendly, some of the fighters start being less agressive or biplanes start escaping your attacks with a different strategy. So before accepting that new AI is that special, I'll have to try it...when it becomes stable enough to worth it to install.
About the qualities of Hs-123. I love it, undoubtly. Despite being intended as a ground attack plane, I love to use it in dogfights, It's so sturdy and maneovrable  . It cans turn on prosecuters like a rattle snake.
I totally agree with you, Fanatic, that this version is widely superior to the old good franken. I specially love the engine pat-pat and that drummy sound of the machine guns.

[agracier]

Can't let Epervier do all the work for these new planes. Here's my contribution. A sample of new skins for German planes and a Chinese Nationalist skin. I also have a template for this aircraft, the new 4.11 version. I'd like to do some additions and afterwards I'll post it so others can make skins should they wish, cause I am a bit skinned-out ... but on a different project ... you'll see ...











links are here:

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,21090.0.html

[Epervier]

Beautiful skins! Bravo! 
I can not wait to see the template! 

[Thunda]

Epervier- sorry to be a dumbass, but to get the self stationary plane, when we add the lines to technics.ini and stationary.ini, do we include the lines [Self_StationaryPlanes]? Is it a 'fresh' heading, so that if we added say, the Ki45 afterwards, we wouldnt add the line [Self_StationaryPlanes], but just the info: KI_45_HEI       vehicles.planes.Ki45Static$ etc?

Hope you can understand what I mean!

[agracier]

Link to a new template for this plane

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,21105.0.html

[Epervier]

Thank you very much ! 

[sacro1973]

I tried to install it but I could not make it work, my question is, will I have to update to 4.11 IL2?
Currently I have a UP03 RC4, 4.10.1

[hguderian]

Hs-123A-1 & B-1 for 4.10 users !

- DiffFM_410 needed except for DBW !
- Self Stationary Plane included !

If you use only UP3 you must install DiffFM_410!

Cheers