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JimmyBlonde

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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2012, 12:17:11 AM »

Oh Ive got no problem with his post, its just vague.

Maybe you should read it, carefully.
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2012, 12:38:20 AM »

I did, and I see the same generalities that govern most fights in the sim.
Stay fast, don't get caught with pants down...OK.

Now what are the optimal throttle/rpm settings for combat? Cruise? Climb?
Optimum speed for cruise? Climb?
What are the operating temps for the motor? How much can they be pushed and for how long?
How much fuel for X amount of range?
Max dive speed? Corner speed? etc.

You know, the vital stats.
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2012, 01:03:55 AM »

this thread is bound to hit a few sore spots through its title alone, nevertheless, if we can all keep it level-headed, and even a bit humourous, that'd be even better....
anyone know any good Mustang jokes? :D
better thread title would be something like: please help CWMV to fly a Mustang properly..... 8)
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2012, 01:09:40 AM »

by the time the mustang reached the target area the fuel was much lower, say 50-60%
also the reason the AI can fly it so well (the P-51) is that they ignore fuel weight ammo weight and that is how they always, always kick my ass
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2012, 01:50:40 AM »

I did, and I see the same generalities that govern most fights in the sim.
Stay fast, don't get caught with pants down...OK.

Now what are the optimal throttle/rpm settings for combat? Cruise? Climb?
Optimum speed for cruise? Climb?
What are the operating temps for the motor? How much can they be pushed and for how long?
How much fuel for X amount of range?
Max dive speed? Corner speed? etc.

You know, the vital stats.

Yeah, I'd start by looking that stuff up on google if I had a genuine interest in flying the P-51.

Alternatively, if I was an attention whore or a drama queen who'd recently run out of of ADD meds, I'd continue to spam this thread with self pity and make it as difficult as possible for anybody want to help me.
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2012, 02:04:10 AM »

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Now let me internet shout for you. Ahem...I AM A CRAP MUSTANG PILOT!!!! I AM NOT BLAMING THE AIRCRAFT INSTEAD I AM LOOKING FOR ADVICE ON HOW TO BEST IMPLEMENT THIS WEAPON SYSTEM!!!!

O.K. Let me explain something to you.
Now sit down...are you ready? The thread title was a joke.

ROFL
 ;D ;D ;D :)))

Big Love! Massive laughs here.
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2012, 02:08:57 AM »

but in the thread title which you posted among a 100.000 american people, you said, the Mustang sucked, not yourself.

That, my friend, gets you the "medal of ballsy Postings" with Congressional Citation and a First page article on the newspapers.

Hope you survive this. Nobody has ever dared to do such a stunt on the SAS. Good luck. Bro, and Salute!
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2012, 08:39:32 AM »

I was going to let this topic fly, as honestly, the title made me piss myself laughing BUT like CWMV, I've never been able to fly the P-51 properly in-game despite mastering some other difficult aircraft. Actually in general I've never been a fan of the American fighters in-game (exception to P-40, which I love) and found them frustrating!

Anyway Malone has spoken and on same thoughts as me. Let's get some tips on how to fly the Pony and keep it at that :)
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2012, 09:13:04 AM »

pre patch 4.11 and the change in engine overheat, fly it at military power, rads closed.

you are will be very quick, and won't overheat, period.

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NORMAL:

Take off: 1490HP at 3000rpm (~40"Hg)

(at 13k feet) 1590HP at 3000rpm at 61"Hg

(at 27K feet) 1370HP at 3000rpm-61"Hg

PLANE LIMITS:

Take off Max: 61" at 3000rpm
War Mergency: 67" at 3000rpm
Militray power: 61" at 3000rpm
Max continous: 46" at 2700rpm
Max Cruise: 42" at 2400rpm

OPERATING RANGE:

Manifold Pressure: 29-37"Hg

RPM: 1850-2320

MAX airspeed is 505MPH.


Shallow climb rather than in a steep angle to gain separation, also not much can maintain as a high a speed in a turn, easy to turn quick maintaining 450kph+, as long as you're not hamfisted (late 109's can stick with you though). Its zoom climb as long as you keep the wings level is awesome.

Above 6000m very little can touch it.
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2012, 10:43:42 AM »

I found this really an interesting Thread as I could deal with CMWV's tip in giving AI-Stangs in QMB less fuel.
I did another Trick by experimenting, as far as one of my flight AI was caught by mighty pony on six and starting noodling towards
space I just called out "rejoin formation", this way I could force the pony to my advantage, low altitude. There I made a "Mettigel" out of pony. This way I could stand a chance.
Scored 2 Stangs in a G-10, I'm happy after years of struggle, what an evolution Knoch scored or survived against the ponies.
This is the fun out of such a joke thread you can't buy for money, I can have finally fun out of IL-2's most horrifying crate.

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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2012, 11:41:56 AM »

Here are some specifics:
You don't need to use WEP, just keep it at 95-100% power and 3000 RPM and it will have plenty of speed.  All you will get for using WEP is an overheat.  Leonard "Kit" Carson (18 kill Mustang Ace) said he very rarely used more than 55" MP (about 95% power)
The radiator is automatic and it will open up on you and slow you down at high power settings.  Assign a key that will allow you to adjust the radiator and then close the radiator and you will go faster.  At the above listed power settings you should not over heat very much.  If you overheat, (usually due to hard maneuvering or steep climbing) then run your radiator selector to the Auto position again until you cool off for a bit.
Try to keep up your speed while climbing.  The best rate of climb speed is 170mph, but that is way too slow.  It will climb great at 200mph and you will have some energy for maneuvering if you need it. 
You can dogfight with it, but be smooth.  You don't need to yank until on the verge of a stall, you will find that it turns better if you let off the back pressure a bit, get out of all the stall buffeting and let it fly smoothly through the turn. 
As far as the 190 being faster and climbing better at the medium altitudes, that's mainly because the P-51 supercharger is hasn't switched to high blower until you get above around 22,000 feet.  Between about 10,000 feet and 22,000 feet you are in this area where the supercharger of the -51 is not at it's best performance and the 190 is in it's prime.  Plus the 190 has better power to weight ratio and will accelerate better (another reason to keep your speed up)  In these altitudes you will have to use lead turns (don't point directly at the guy you are chasing and expect to catch him) to close on the 190. 
Above all, be smooth on the controls, if you jerk it into a turn it will be hard to get that speed back and you need it.  It's your biggest advantage.
Oh yeah - again with the reduced fuel.  75% is enough, beyond that and you are not ready for combat.  Another thing for success, don't just use those old 'quick combat' situations.   Set up a simple bomber escort and fly 5000 feet above the bombers, then have the 190s come in at bomber altitude and you can dive down on them (A historically successful and realistic situation)
I could say more but blah blah blah.   :)
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2012, 12:27:24 PM »


The part that gets me is the speed. I really, really thought the 51 was faster than this. The 47 is and the AI know it. Trying the same mission I have no trouble decimating 190's in the 47. The tactics the 190's use are different as they "know" I'll run them down in a climb like a home-sick eagle.

So what are you rustang jockeys doing to get her to fly at her true potential? I'm versed in the manipulation of prop pitch and engine management, but nothing I know to do in other aircraft works in this brick.

I agree with CWMV. What is also annoy me the fact that the P-47 is much better in fly than the P-51D in this game...  :P
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