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badderger

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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2012, 10:39:14 PM »

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« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2012, 10:54:11 PM »

Let me ask y'all this. I have noticed that the wing tanks empty before the fuselage tank. My understanding is that in reality , the fuselage tank would be emptied first during flight to balance out the CG. So , are some of the issues that we Pony lovers have handling her due to this , especially in the D's? Just thinking out loud. Previous posters have pointed out one thing correctly - she is like a thoroughbred race horse - if you drive her with a heavy hand then her full potential will be thwarted. Like .38 Special once said , "Hold on loosely , but don't let go!" Time for some Jack!

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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2012, 11:31:41 PM »

Let me ask y'all this. I have noticed that the wing tanks empty before the fuselage tank. My understanding is that in reality , the fuselage tank would be emptied first during flight to balance out the CG. So , are some of the issues that we Pony lovers have handling her due to this , especially in the D's? Just thinking out loud.

Fortunately, the only thing that is not modeled correctly is the fuel tank gauge readings.  So, if you have less than about 80% fuel your CG will be just fine even though the gauges show otherwise.  It's a minor thing, but I've always found it annoying.  As I once pointed out here: https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,18252.msg196024.html#msg196024 
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2012, 12:10:12 AM »


Sorry, couldn't resist. ;) Mustang nice plane. ;D
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2012, 07:27:57 AM »

Let me ask y'all this. I have noticed that the wing tanks empty before the fuselage tank. My understanding is that in reality , the fuselage tank would be emptied first during flight to balance out the CG. So , are some of the issues that we Pony lovers have handling her due to this , especially in the D's? Just thinking out loud. Previous posters have pointed out one thing correctly - she is like a thoroughbred race horse - if you drive her with a heavy hand then her full potential will be thwarted. Like .38 Special once said , "Hold on loosely , but don't let go!" Time for some Jack!

Ribs
drop tanks are designed to keep the main tank full. fuel from drop tank feeds main tank which feeds the engine. Main tank always feeds engine. drop tanks empty first ;)
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2012, 01:04:27 PM »

All kidding aside, the heavies (b-17s/24s) were the biggest threat to the 109 in 1944. When Göring gave 109 fighter gruppen to 'ignore the fighters and only go for bombers' that sealed there fate.
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« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2012, 04:32:03 PM »

All kidding aside, the heavies (b-17s/24s) were the biggest threat to the 109 in 1944. When Göring gave 109 fighter gruppen to 'ignore the fighters and only go for bombers' that sealed there fate.

I agree with that.  Probably more 109s were lost to fighters rather than bomber gunners, however, the requirement to concentrate on bombers made them much more vulnerable to fighters.  When reading the Caldwell books about JG26 it is clear that when they had the occasion to take on allied fighters on fairly equal terms they (JG26) did very well.
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« Reply #67 on: January 27, 2012, 10:45:39 PM »

Just out of curiosity, and not like we need another variant of an already well represented aircraft, but why hasnt anyone made a 51K? Not enough difference between the two to justify the work?
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« Reply #68 on: January 28, 2012, 12:00:18 AM »

AFAIK No one has done it.  Probably because - like you said - Not enough difference between the two to justify the work. 
I think the FM differences would be so subtle that it would be a waste of time.  The only thing would be to make a different looking propeller.
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #69 on: January 28, 2012, 08:02:23 AM »

A P-51H (or XP-51J ;D) would be cool.. :P :D+
According to the article presented by Gerax, this version also had better handling characteristica, a.o. thanks to the larger tailplane. It was also very fast "The P-51H was one of the fastest piston fighters ever to reach full operational service, with a level speed of 784 KPH (487 MPH)"

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_P-51_variants

P-51H
A P-51H-10-NA showing the longer, slightly deeper fuselage and the lightweight undercarriage with smaller wheels. A taller tailfin was later adopted by the P-51H series.

The P-51H (NA-126) was the final production Mustang, embodying the experience gained in the development of the XP-51F and XP-51G aircraft. This aircraft, with minor differences as the NA-129, came too late to participate in World War II, but it brought the development of the Mustang to a peak as one of the fastest production piston-engine fighters to see service.

The P-51H used the new V-1650-9 engine, a version of the Merlin that included Simmons automatic supercharger boost control with water injection, allowing War Emergency Power as high as 2,218 hp (1,500 kW). Differences between the P-51D included lengthening the fuselage and increasing the height of the tailfin, which greatly reduced the tendency to yaw. The canopy resembled the P-51D style, over a raised pilot's position. Service access to the guns and ammunition was also improved. With the new airframe several hundred pounds lighter, the extra power and a more streamlined radiator, the P-51H was among the fastest propeller fighters ever, able to reach 487 mph (784 km/h or Mach 0.74) at 25,000 ft (7,600 m).

The P-51H was designed to complement the P-47N as the primary aircraft for the invasion of Japan, with 2,000 ordered to be manufactured at Inglewood. Production was just ramping up with 555 delivered when the war ended.

Additional orders, already on the books, were canceled. With the cutback in production, the variants of the P-51H with different versions of the Merlin engine were produced in either limited numbers or terminated. These included the P-51L, similar to the P-51H but utilizing the 2,270 hp (1,690 kW) V-1650-11 engine, which was never built; and its Dallas-built version, the P-51M, or NA-124, which utilized the V-1650-9A engine lacking water injection and therefore rated for lower maximum power, of which one was built out of the original 1629 ordered, serial number 45-11743.

Although some P-51Hs were issued to operational units, none saw combat in World War II, and in postwar service, most were issued to reserve units. One aircraft was provided to the RAF for testing and evaluation. Serial number 44-64192 was designated BuNo 09064 and used by the U.S. Navy to test transonic airfoil designs and then returned to the Air National Guard in 1952. The P-51H was not used for combat in the Korean War despite its improved handling characteristics, since the P-51D was available in much larger numbers and was a proven commodity.

Many of the aerodynamic advances of the P-51 (including the laminar flow wing) were carried over to North American's next generation of jet-powered fighters, the Navy FJ Fury and Air Force F-86 Sabre. The wings, empennage and canopy of the first straight-winged variant of the Fury (the FJ-1) and the unbuilt preliminary prototypes of the P-86/F-86 strongly resembled those of the Mustang before the aircraft were modified with swept-wing designs.







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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2012, 09:46:49 AM »

Here's what's possible with the donkey dingus: 

First, while doing one of the missions from my upcoming "Yoxford Boys" campaign, I got myself in some deep shit.   ???  That's a 109G-14.  I was shooting at his wingman and he got really mad at me.



Then, at the right moment, and while using combat flaps, I started a "Defensive spiral" outlined here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_fighter_maneuvers#Defensive_spiral

Here is the Defensive spiral in progress.  Note that the ntrk does not show the 109s leading edge slats were fully extended at this time.



He overshot me vertically and started to run away.  I caught him from behind and eventually ended up here:



Big time adventure and really got the old adrenaline pumping  :)  (sound of dog panting here)
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Re: Mustangs suck big floppy donkey dingus.
« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2012, 10:29:33 AM »

Good job turning the six.

You made one mistake, though. You got dingus juice in his eye. Next time go for the chin!
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