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S3231541

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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2012, 09:36:28 PM »

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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2012, 05:04:18 PM »

  this one will get it   :P
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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2012, 04:02:27 AM »

Hm, actually..... No  :)
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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2012, 04:32:10 AM »

Hm, actually..... No  :)

Whats that supposed to mean? The Lightning was a long serving, extemely successful aircraft and is still one of (if not 'the') fastest climbing aircraft ever built.











Known to some in the RAF as '22 tons of screaming aluminium' in the right hands, it would have a Mig21 for breakfast.......
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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2012, 04:48:30 AM »

Well  since the F-5 is in works, Mirage III has the base down and F-4 is out i think we have enough apponents and just need the MIG to come out.
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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2012, 04:53:56 AM »

and is still one of (if not 'the') fastest climbing aircraft ever built.

MiG25, 0-20000m in 2 min 49.8 sec, 0-25000m in 3 min 12.6 sec and 0-30000m in 4 min 3.86 sec...
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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2012, 05:11:19 AM »


Whats that supposed to mean? The Lightning was a long serving, extemely successful aircraft and is still one of (if not 'the') fastest climbing aircraft ever built.

Known to some in the RAF as '22 tons of screaming aluminium' in the right hands, it would have a Mig21 for breakfast.......

Amen brother! The Lightning sure was ugly, but she packed a hellishly big punch. This aircraft is the main reason I am currently putting myself through the hell of learning Gmax from scratch after 7 years of nothing but Milkshape 3d...
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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2012, 05:20:44 AM »

hmmm, possible project, I'll jump in and help anyone that's already on it, or will consider it one day  :) Dinosaur, if you need help with max, just let me know, maybe I can help  :D
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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2012, 06:11:30 AM »

and is still one of (if not 'the') fastest climbing aircraft ever built.

MiG25, 0-20000m in 2 min 49.8 sec, 0-25000m in 3 min 12.6 sec and 0-30000m in 4 min 3.86 sec...

Sani, you are talking about an aircraft that took its first flight over 10 years after the Lightning. A whole different generation of fighter (unless you are saying that a Mig25 against a Mig21 is a match?) Even then, a Lightning could reach 36,000 ft- from a stand still- in less than 3 minutes and maintain a 20,000 ft per minute climb rate- for an aircraft that first flew in 1954 and became operational in 1959, that is truly spectacular.

In British Airways trials in April 1985, Concorde was offered as a target to NATO fighters including F-15 Eagles, F-16 Fighting Falcons, F-14 Tomcats, Mirages, F-104 Starfighters - but only Lightning XR749, flown by Mike Hale and described by him as "a very hot ship, even for a Lightning", managed to overtake Concorde on a stern conversion intercept. Its turn performance and buffet boundaries were well in advance of anything known to him, the Mirage III included.

Roland Beamont (Lightning development-programme chief test pilot and WWII fighter ace), after flying most of the second-generation "Century series" US fighters of that era, made it clear that in his opinion, nothing at that time had the inherent stability and control and docile handling characteristics of the P 1 series prototypes and Lightning derivatives throughout the full flight envelope.This remained so right up until the next generation of fighter/interceptors was developed worldwide, with underbelly intakes and straked leading edges, or canards.

The late Brian Carroll, a former RAF Lightning pilot and ex-Lightning Chief Examiner, reported taking a Lightning F.53 up to 87,300 feet (26 600 m) over Saudi Arabia at which level "Earth curvature was visible and the sky was quite dark"

In 1984, during a major NATO exercise, Flt Lt Mike Hale intercepted an American U-2 at a height which they had previously considered safe from interception. Records show that Hale climbed to 88,000 ft (26,800 m) in his Lightning F.3 XR749.

Im not saying it was the best aircraft ever built, and it had its limitations, but it cannot be written off with a simple "erm, No"
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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2012, 06:17:51 AM »

hmmm, possible project, I'll jump in and help anyone that's already on it, or will consider it one day  :) Dinosaur, if you need help with max, just let me know, maybe I can help  :D

He he he, I already mentioned this in passing to Beowolff. It is on my dream to do list of all things I must do before I die along with the Beaufort... I only just D/Ld Gmax yesterday (and grabbed the Buggy Buggy converter from you guys) so it will be slow going... I am actually thinking of doing the blocking out of the 3D in Milkshape and exporting to Gmax for the nitty gritty... I can certainly do the skinning anyway! :D

I shall PM you over at IL2 FM when ready, if that's ok? ;)
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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2012, 06:20:23 AM »

still, the lightning never shot anything at a Fishbed...

They never fought each other. they were not opponents.
They mighta...cooulda...woulda... but thats all grey theory and numbers.
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Re: mig 21 opponent
« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2012, 06:35:26 AM »

yeah, i'm sure that's all the 'erm...no' comment was meant to indicate.
the simple fact that the 21 and the Lightning never were opponents in the history of aviation. ;)
a great 'what if' opponent, sure...but not a historical one.
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