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Ala13_ManOWar

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SCW Emils, revisited
« on: February 15, 2012, 11:12:55 AM »

Here we are today again mates. After Emil 1 void "retrofit" :D as said I wanted to "overhaul" all the previously released Emils skins, now on its correct version, and with latest up to day things we now about them.

So, here are 20 skins for Emils in SCW. Now I was able to identify accurately various numbers with its exact model (because new photos mainly), so every aircraft on this pack is correctly identified. They could be even more but some of them remain unidentified, others were not specially brilliant skins (no identify markings, very far photos and so) and some of them I didn't made because simply I thought 20 skins for the moment are enough ;D. Best known aircraft anyway are in the pack.


About colours, I don't remember again if I has upload at any moment the old pack around here, but if yes and some of you remember its Emils were at that moment all painted on RLM 62 instead of 63. After looking many photographs and some books I now think it's probable some aircraft were 62 painted at any moment, possibly close after arriving, those aircraft are identified on photographs easily and you can see they are from first period (we are talking about 4 months here from arriving to war end, so may be a month, or even weeks) and on that period they had numbers painted but not unit markings, that's very clear. Later looks like they were all repainted same colour (63) and this time with unit markings. For now and normal use it has no sense, I think, to make two or three versions of a paint that an aircraft wore for a few months (but I did some on B models skins, yes), so now they are all "late version". About unit markings and aircraft "better painted", after I saw some of the photographs, supposed to be on Leon Aerodrome, they probably are from the another four moths period Condor Legion was in Spain after the war and until their come back to Germany, specially 3J88 aircraft (mickey mouse) so probably many aircraft operated during war with no unit markings. As we can't know 100% sure at the moment I let them like you can see, but it's more than probable that paint wasn't a "war paint" (really unit markings only).


Here they are...

Emil 1




Yes, AFAIK there are only one full photo of this aircraft, it's dated well after the war, but very clearly we can see the famous Hans Schmoller-Haldy aircraft was an Emil 1 and not 3. Behind it, 6-106 is the preserved aircraft on Munich Deutches-museum, there you can see it like and Emil 3 but it was an Emil 1 even on after war photographs so we don't know the moment at its armament was changed...


Second Emil arrived to Spain, first of them, 6-87, was an Emil 3 :o (also in the pack) so we can conclude really Emil 1 and 3 were developed at the very same time...



Emil 3


One of those probably on "after the war" paint...




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More coming, now it's time to those first Emils over Poland and France :).


Enjoy!
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juanmalapuente

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Re: SCW Emils, revisited
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 12:58:38 PM »

Great skins and very interesting data, Manowar, thanks.
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Re: SCW Emils, revisited
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 01:57:12 AM »

Great work, thanks! :)
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Re: SCW Emils, revisited
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 02:50:46 AM »

1-106 among them?
I saw this plane only a year ago in Munich :)
From what I understood, all Emils were E-1s when delivered to Spain, but Germany later delivered E-3 cannon capable wings to upgrade them.
At least that is what happened to 1-106, the oldest preserved 109 in the world.
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Re: SCW Emils, revisited
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 04:35:32 AM »

Yep, that's it. It was said many time Emils were all of them E-1 and later mounted cannons, etc, that's very old story. But there are a thing, you canĀ“t find a single example photograph of an Emil 1 later being Emil 3. What is more, as said, 6-106 is seen like an Emil 1 even years after the war (now we have photograph, of course, only a couple of years ago we hadn't it), so change only may be done between that and its end of service, in 1955 if I remember. Something like that for the date could only be made using another aircraft pieces, or may be it was changed only when aircraft was donated to Germany also using another out of service aircraft pieces, may be they thought before donating it was nicer a canon armed aircraft or something like that. So, if you can see even the first aircraft sent (6-87 in the pack) on very early photograph (not dated by itself, but identified the place where they were shot and dated when 109 was there), always mixed Emil 1 and Emil 3, and you can't find any plane without and later with canons... I think Emils were sent all of them as they can be seen, Emil 1 and 3, probably no change in Spain. Anyway, may be they were all of them Emil 1 in the meaning that, about that time, German manufacturers were not so stickler in naming version like later on the war, you know really Emil 1 and 3 were only different on canons but same aircraft so may be they thought at the time, why give it a different version name? But the more probable is they arrived with and without canons from Germany. Also now there are authors saying Emil 3 development were pretty sooner than we thought, may be even as soon as Emil 1 development, and Emil 3 wasn't a later Emil 1 model as we believed before but contemporary. That's the thing.

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Re: SCW Emils, revisited
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 05:20:46 AM »

Many thanks, very nice job indeed :)
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Re: SCW Emils, revisited
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 01:04:40 PM »

That's how  like my skins :); beautifuly made with lots of historic info. Thanks a lot Ala, waiting for your Polish and BoF versions  :)
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