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leperemagloire

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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2012, 03:34:26 PM »

3Martin Maryland Mk1
 The profiles are for Martin Baltimore,not exactly the same aircraft ;)

Here Martin Maryland profiles:







therefore:Martin Baltimore-Number 6  :D
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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2012, 02:01:39 AM »

I would welcome any or all of those.
All good suggestions.

Defiant also a good addition for Dunkirk scenarios.

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The Defiant was initially successful against enemy aircraft. Its best day was 29 May 1940, when No. 264 Sqn claimed 37 kills in two sorties: 19 Junkers Ju 87 Stuka dive bombers mostly picked off as they came out of their dives, nine Messerschmitt Bf 110 twin-engined heavy fighters, eight Bf 109s and a Ju-88. One Defiant gunner was lost after he bailed out though the aircraft made base to be repaired.
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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 11:33:34 AM »

It would be great to see all this plane in the game, even slow Lysander . :P
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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2012, 12:37:16 PM »

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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2012, 12:42:22 PM »




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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2012, 06:58:37 PM »

Personally, I'd choose the Martin Baltimore over the Defiant, but that is just me.
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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2012, 01:19:56 AM »

The defiant just aint working and is just eyecandy, in clod they behave as bombers. Not taking one shot in agression only to defend itself. In history point of view all of these request would have been nice. I second the bolingbroke  and Barracuda in special
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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2012, 07:59:19 AM »

The defiant just aint working and is just eyecandy, in clod they behave as bombers. Not taking one shot in agression only to defend itself. In history point of view all of these request would have been nice. I second the bolingbroke  and Barracuda in special

something better than nothing !!!

if we give them the experience would be ace to defend smartly !!!
if the aircraft after one straight for the bombers would be an efficient !!!
the missions we have planned flight path to be useful !!!

Make someone PB Defiant campaign for Bob
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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2012, 01:15:40 PM »

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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2012, 01:13:50 AM »

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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2012, 07:45:17 AM »

Sorry to be pedantic, but the Baltimore, Maryland and Hudson are all American aircraft flown by the RAF & Coastal command under lend-lease, although I would like to see them all in the game.

The Defiant had a quite short career during WWII- was active in '39-'40 as a day fighter and flew many sorties around the time of Dunkirk and very early part of BoB, but was a sitting duck once the Luftwaffe worked out it had no forward firing armament, and was restricted to early night-fighting, where it had some success, but with its low top speed and lack of radar it was soon superceded by the Beaufighter. I agree it is a good looking aircraft, and is a fine example of British 'quirkyness' in design, but the single engine turret fighter always struggled with performance because of the extra weight (the Roc is another example) and was a dead end design.

The Wellesley was an obsolete design by the outbreak of the war, and none fought in Europe (there were only four in the UK at the outbreak of war). A few did fly missions against Italian forces in East Africa, flying their last combat mission in November '41. It was important from a design point of view, as it was the first aircraft to use Barnes Wallaces 'geodesic' construction method, but an aircraft of its size powered only by one Pegasus XII was never going to stand up well to fighter opposition, many being lost to Italian Cr42's (!) in Ethiopia.

The Lysander and Whitley had long and successful careers, both flying throughout the war- the Whitley being a front line 'heavy' bomber until the four engined designs made their appearence, then being a transport, paratroop carrier and flying with Coastal Command. The Lysander was initially an Army communications aircraft but found its most famous role delivering and collecting Allied agents in occupied France. Both deserve a place in IL2.

The Blackburn Roc, again, had a very short and limited career, and the Whirlwind was cursed with the unreliable Rolls Royce Peregrine's which hampered its career. Only 2 squadrons operated the Whirlwind in combat (263 & 137) with the last operational sortie being flown by 137 Sqn on 21st June '43.Both squadrons re-equipped with Typhoons and the Whirlwind was declared officially obsolete on 1st Jan '44- after the first squadron to become operational was in December 1940, thats an operational life span of just 2 1/2 years! If it had been fitted with better engines (Merlins?) it may have been a far more usable aircraft, especially with its 4 nose mounted 20mm cannon- you can guess that it probably would have been fitted with rockets later in the war had it survived, which would have made it a seriously handy ground attack aircraft, but as it was, it really didnt play a big part in the air war.

For my money, I would say the Beaufort and the Stirling are much more important aircraft than the Roc, the Wellesley and the Whirlwind as far as their parts played during WWII- Stirlings were front line heavys, then transport, glider tugs and paratroop carriers and the Beauforts were active in every theatre that British forces fought in, from Coastal Command and the RAF in the Atlantic and Biscay, to the Med and Malta, to the Far East.
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Re: 5 Missing British aircrafts
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2012, 07:57:11 AM »

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The Blackburn Roc, again, had a very short and limited career, and the Whirlwind was cursed with the unreliable Rolls Royce Peregrine's which hampered its career. Only 2 squadrons operated the Whirlwind in combat (263 & 137) with the last operational sortie being flown by 137 Sqn on 21st June '43.Both squadrons re-equipped with Typhoons and the Whirlwind was declared officially obsolete on 1st Jan '44- after the first squadron to become operational was in December 1940, thats an operational life span of just 2 1/2 years! If it had been fitted with better engines (Merlins?) it may have been a far more usable aircraft, especially with its 4 nose mounted 20mm cannon- you can guess that it probably would have been fitted with rockets later in the war had it survived, which would have made it a seriously handy ground attack aircraft, but as it was, it really didnt play a big part in the air war.
yes, the whirlwind could have been great fighter-bomber, but merlins were reserved for spitfires, so they had to do with peregrines. it would be cool if someone made a "what if" variant with merlins.
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