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alotef

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Re: DBW 1916 update v2 (UPDATED! 10.10)
« Reply #720 on: November 01, 2012, 10:38:36 PM »

Mike (Alotef)

    Excellent little soundset really sets the tone for a bash with the Hun.

                                 Ian
Hehe, thanks Ian! Go get 'em!
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Re: DBW 1916 update v2 (UPDATED! 10.10)
« Reply #721 on: November 02, 2012, 02:31:14 AM »

wow
 
  Looking very nice indeed.
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Re: DBW 1916 update v2 (UPDATED! 10.10)
« Reply #722 on: November 02, 2012, 03:06:16 AM »

Did you know this 1916 aircraft had electronic equipment inside?
yes, it did.

Which type of equipment? Was it for interior lighting of instruments so the pilots could read them at night? Or landing lights? I wouldn't think it was a radio at this stage yet ... and other things I can't seem to come up with ...
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Re: DBW 1916 update v2 (UPDATED! 10.10)
« Reply #723 on: November 02, 2012, 03:30:58 AM »

I am sure that the RFC used radio as early as 1914 to talk to ground artillery and direct their guns onto enemy positions. I belive it was in the form of a Morse code sender. Cannot recall where I read or heard this....
 (Now I will have to have a dig about on the net and through my books for the dates).

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Re: DBW 1916 update v2 (UPDATED! 10.10)
« Reply #724 on: November 02, 2012, 03:42:21 AM »

I am sure that the RFC used radio as early as 1914 to talk to ground artillery and direct their guns onto enemy positions. I belive it was in the form of a Morse code sender. Cannot recall where I read or heard this....

I've just finished translating and commenting a book by an American reporter from 1914 and he describes the methods used by Zeppelins to signal to artillery batteries on the ground. Here's a quote on how the American reporter E. Alexander Powell described it in his book 'Fighting in Flanders' 1914. This was a very early description of course and things evolved over the course of the war years. Still, interesting to note that a gigantic machine like a Zeppelin didn't have a radio on board. That must have been due to the ground troops not having suitable equipment on the ground, not because of limited lift capability of the airships.

Anyway - the quote
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"Though the Zeppelin raids proved wholly ineffective, so far as their effect on troops and fortifications were concerned, the German aviators introduced some novel tricks in aerial warfare which were as practical as they were ingenious. During the battle of Vilvorde, for example, and throughout the attacks on the Antwerp forts, German dirigibles hovered at a safe height over the Belgian positions and directed the fire of the German gunners with remarkable success. The aerial observers watched, through powerful glasses, the effect of the German shells and then, by means of a large disc which was swung at the end of a line and could be raised or lowered at will, signalled as need be in code "higher--lower--right--left" and thus guided the gunners--who were, of course, unable to see their mark or the effect of their fire--until almost every shot was a hit. At Vilvorde, as a result of this aerial fire-control system, I saw the German artillery, posted out of sight behind a railway embankment, get the range of a retreating column of Belgian infantry and with a dozen well-placed shots practically wipe it out of existence. So perfect was the German system of observation and fire control during the final attack on the Antwerp defences that whenever the Belgians or British moved a regiment or a battery the aerial observers instantly detected it and a perfect storm of shells was directed against the new position."
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Re: DBW 1916 update v2 (UPDATED! 10.10)
« Reply #725 on: November 02, 2012, 03:45:04 AM »

About 1915 I think pippin. They also had a clock code with concentric circles centred on the target, for reporting the fall of shot. I think each segment of the area had a different letter. Thatmade sending Morse code corrections quicker. Then, if Captain W.E.Johns, who wrote the Biggles books is a reliable source. They had something called a 'zone call'. That directed every gun in the sector onto the same target.

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Re: DBW 1916 update v2 (UPDATED! 10.10)
« Reply #726 on: November 02, 2012, 03:49:58 AM »

Hi, agracier. That's an interesting story. The Zeppelin that was shot down by a water/ship launched Camel in 1918 had a radio.  It's HQ was trying to find out where it was. And it wasn't answering radio calls.

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David Prosser

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Re: DBW 1916 update v2 (UPDATED! 10.10)
« Reply #727 on: November 02, 2012, 03:52:29 AM »

Hi, agracier. That's an interesting story. The Zeppelin that was shot down by a water/ship launched Camel in 1918 had a radio.  It's HQ was trying to find out where it was. And it wasn't answering radio calls.

It's from very early in the war - about events in August and September of 1914. In those months the Great War was almost like the American Civil War, but with airplanes and machine guns thrown in. Things evolved very quickly in the following years of course.
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Re: DBW 1916 update v2 (UPDATED! 10.10)
« Reply #728 on: November 02, 2012, 03:52:55 AM »

That sounds like an interesting way of communicating. Zeppelins for sure carried some form of Morse code though as to its use I do not know.
  I  found this in a quick search which makes reference to the early use of radio equiped aircraft.

`Radios were also used first in the Battle of Marnes.
 A few British reconnaissance crafts managed to carry 75-pound Morse-code radio transmitters aloft.
 In the late afternoon of September 24, the first air warfare radio-guided fire-control instructions were sent down.`

                       Ian

 David do you happen to know from which Biggles book you read that?
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Re: DBW 1916 update v2 (UPDATED! 10.10)
« Reply #729 on: November 02, 2012, 04:05:34 AM »

From a re-enactment held at Villeroy on the 1914 Marne battlefield in 2008. An old original piece of radio equipment was set up in the town hall. It looks to have been a telegraph Morse code setup.
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/JoursdelaMarne-2008-469.jpg
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/JoursdelaMarne-2008-468.jpg
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Re: DBW 1916 update v2 (UPDATED! 10.10)
« Reply #730 on: November 02, 2012, 04:14:06 AM »



Hi, Ian, it was a long time ago. Circa 1970. Probably Biggles Pioneer Air fighter. That's the one where he's flying FE2ds. It might be hard to find now. Not very PC   ::). Some are currently in print though. From memory. Biggles of 266.

Sept 24th 1915 sounds spot on for the first British use of radio. They had a very long aerial with a lead weight on the end. It had to be lowered to transmit and receive. Winding it in after use was encouraged for obvious reasons.

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« Reply #731 on: November 02, 2012, 04:36:27 AM »

Just to show how complicated and bulky all this early material was, here are a few photos from period magazines showing telegraph relays, field phones and a command center to coordinate against Zeppelin attacks.

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/GreatWarWilsonv6-Telefonistes001.jpg

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/IllustrierteZeitungLeipziger-PhoneLines004.jpg

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq302/agracier/UberLandundMeer-Telephone001.jpg
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