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[western0221]

The AI aircraft still refuses to take off though in your version, any chance you could revert back to the MBR
specs in regard to that please.

I also know AI can't take-off by my S62 flightmodel.

I set engine's horse-power as 940. This is based on real Isotta-Fraschini750V engine specs.

In 1C's MBR2 flightmodel, ASh-82FN_TU_2 engine power is set as 1600hp. Instead of 900hp in real specs.

I cannot decide that I have to increase engine power to make AI taking-off even if non-realistic.

[Mission_bug]

Hello Western, that is very strange that even a stock seaplane has to have the power set unusually high, obviously some limitation of the sim.  I've noticed that the original stock PBY took an age to eventually get airborne and that was without any weapon load, not sure if that was addressed in a modded version.

Thank you very much for the update, much appreciated.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[juanmalapuente]

As promised, I’ve been gathering some graphic info about the Spanish S-62. Let’s start with this one in which you can see that front  gunner turret can turn completely. Some planes were equiped with  MGs mounted in paralell.




A detail of MG.



S-21, with the dragonfly emblem.



A civil one of LAPE.



The Aeronáutica Naval hangar.



Republican militia men cheering at S-4 as she takes off for Mallorca attacks.



Preparing S-19



S-12, you can see the emblem of the witch flying on her broom and watching through a telescope.



Several S-62 and Dornier Wal.



S-2 with the witch.



Another civil one.



Lifting S-27 at Barcelona port.



CROSSING THE PYRENEES! Flying over France to help in Northern Front. They also made several bombing missions in Aragonesse Front, over Huesca and Saragosse.



S-10, after escaping from rebel Mallorca to join Republicans.



A patrol in duty for they were originally intended: observation and coast defence.



This one is already familiar to you, Pete, isn’t it?



S-1 with a merchant ship in the background at Barcelona. You can see the red bands.



An escuadrilla flying in formation.



S-24, also with the witch.



Colour profile of S-27 and the Republican emblems of both escuadrillas.



And finally, one of the only 5 S-62 which remained in Nationalist side.

[Mission_bug]

juanmalapuente do you by any chance have access to Spain's national archives?  Where on earth do you manage to find all this stuff, it's amazing, I'll be skinning Republican S-62s forever judging by the photographs you've posted.  Fuck I'll be retired by the time I finish.

All I could find was S-1 and of course S-30.

Archie has asked about a void, or template, sadly I don't have either as yet  and I'm having to use the skin in the download as a guide to make a template.  Will try and get my act together tommorow and make some progress, will leave anything else to one side and try and get a move on, sorry for the delay I've been a bit quicker off the mark with the other seaplanes but other issues have got in the way here.


I've started the template but it is only a base layer and mask at the moment, I was going to post an image but I'm having all sorts of problems with my usual upload sites at the moment, having to try and remember my log in for some and failing miserably.

Western will be glad of the info regarding the turret traversing all the way around, that saves him a lot of hard work trying to sort out the problem he has outlined above.

And on top of that he has had to put up with me being a nuisance.  Sorry Western.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Mission_bug]

At last I've got photobucket back.   Now all I need is Mediafire to behave itself.





Not much but I've made a start.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Mission_bug]

Hello all, after all the hard work the others have put into this mod to make her work I thought I'd better shape up myself and get a move on with the template so we can utilise all that superb info juanmalapuente has posted.

The lines are now mostly in place, just need tweaking to line a few strays up.  The coloured marks are just a test to see what goes where.  You'd be surprised how often a part looks to be in a certain position and turns out to be upside down, back to front and twisted this way and that.    This aircraft appears quite tame so far, early days yet though eh.





Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[juanmalapuente]

That template is looking really good, so you deserve some more pics from my "National" archives. 
They come actually from only 7 books. This is when you find out why old books are so worthy.
First one is more of a historical curiosity: crew of a shot down Dornier Wall recovered at Cabrera Island by B-4 submarine, during battle for Mallorca. You can see S-1 behind them.




This is probably the most interesting: S-5 at Graus reservoir, preparing for an attack on Sietamo, near Huesca.




I cannot distinguish the number on this one departing from Barcelona port to attack Mallorca (sorry for the bad quality, they are really old books). It's a beautiful pic though.




And this one is as a special gift. It's a pity I couldn't find it before. One of S-55 at the port of Palma de Mallorca. Photo was probably taken just after arrival, with no identifications to avoid diplomatic conflict. 




BTW, I've been thinking about the great scheme you made for S-55, with the red bands over wings. I know that these colours were often used, especially in those early years, besides, it's almost impossible to know the real colour from these bad quality pics. But logics had been sparkling in my rusty brain and I thought that those bands were probably painted in black or at least blue:
No Nationalist plane would sport so conspicuous red bands to avoid missidentification, even more with a so unique aircraft model, that couldn't be recognized by most pilots. It's something that several pilots speak about in their memories: colours had to be defined in the first weeks of war to make clear which side they belonged. The same way, black painted planes were often shot at in Republican side.

Another detail, if you start working on S-62 skins (no hurry, I would be really happy to see any of them) is about the Nationalist profile I posted. The monarchic banner on the fin is not very plausible. Nationalist never used those colours in their planes until war was over (again to avoid missidentification) they actually sported the Republican 3 coloured banner for the first week of war, since they hadn't choose their symbols yet. From the second week on, all Nationalist planes had the St. Andrews cross on their fins.

[Mission_bug]

Hello juanmalapuente, thank you very much for the photos, some books are priceless, if you don't pick them up when you first come across them likely you will never find them again.  We are very fortunate that you have the publications you have, they are invaluable references.

As for the S-55, my initial thoughts on it when you posted the photographs was that the underwing bands may actually rap around the top and bottom of the wings, but your suggestion seemed much more appealing and added a little colour.  Italian aircraft sported these bright bands when the aircrafts primary use was sea rescue, so it is plausable that some Spanish aircraft may have used them as they worked very closely with the Italians.  The image you posted sadly doesn't help us although looking at it I do feel that there are bands on the upper wings, quite how they are laid out though we can only guess at.

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[PO_MAK_249RIP]

I dont spose one of you kind gents could provide an alternative download link? MEDIAFIRE just will not work for me at all at the moment !!!

[PO_MAK_249RIP]

I give up !! Mediafires ok again now ??

[Riptide_One]

GIO,

She flies, she bombs and she floats! Thank you for this beauty !

Cheers,

Riptide

[Mission_bug]

Getting there.





Wishing you all the very best, Pete.