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[max_thehitman]

Sorry to ask this question, but I have not been able to find a
suitable phrase, or in this case a suitable Stencil marking written in German
for a "Warning" of "Jet engine exaust"

I tried using Google translater using the words...
Attention Engine Exhaust = Achtung Motor Erschöpfen

Would this do for using it on an airplane stencil marking near the rear jet engines?

[Ass Eagle]

I think 'Achtung Abgasstrahl'

[pdittrich]

Iceeagle is correct. Personally, I would've said Triebwerksstrahl instead of Abgasstrahl, but both work, I guess.

But I would also like to notice that this kind of stencil is, to my knowledge, a typical non-axis thing. I mean, if you were doing a skin for a german F-86 or a F-104, yeah, but then you could also stencil "Attention, jet exaust". For a WW2 jet or rocket airplane, I don't think germans would feel the need to put a warning there - actually, I think it's useless anyway. When you're close enough to read it, you're toast anyway...

No kidding, if you don't absolutely know it belongs there - like you're working from an old photo - maybe don't put anything at all there.

Imma go check some books, but I don't think it's needed.

[pdittrich]

Ok so I checked my stuff but can't find any picture of a german "Vorsicht HEISS" ("Careful. May be HOT."  ) Warnung type thingy on neither german ww2 jet nor on rocket aircraft.

Voilà some pics from "Die deutschen Raketenflugzeuge bis 45" ("German Rocket Aircraft 'til '45") and "Famous Luftwaffe Aircraft" (flown by a Brit).

Business end of a Me263/Ju248


Me 163
Note how they take care about the C-Stoff and the T-Stoff (don't mix them up!), but no one cares about the rocket exhaust... looks mean enough anyway...


And finally a Schwalbe. Me 262:

[Phas3e]

The Me262 had "Nicht Schieben" above the exhausts, but nothing about 'beware of jet blasts' or anything like that

[max_thehitman]

Thanks alot Pdittrich and Ice-Eagle for your help. I am much appreciated.

You have also explained something that I was also thinking earlier. I never seen
any "warning" on the exaust of jets from WW2 German airplanes. I checked many books and
looked at many photos of Salamander 162, Me-262, Me-163 rocket-plane and a few others but
no photo was close enought to show a warning stencil.
So, I thought, perhaps they never used it, just like they never painted the propeller tips in
white or yellow like the Allied airplanes.

But what if they did? 
What would it say?

Thank you for your help and I have decided to leave out the warning stencil off of my
new airplane skin.

Thanks also to Phas3e for your help good buddy.
I have also noticed that lettering on teh Me-262 and a "Nicht Anfassen" on the wings too.
So the wings have two warning stencils.... Nicht Anfassen, and Nicht Schieben.

[mac1]

Thanks also to Phas3e for your help good buddy.
I have also noticed that lettering on teh Me-262 and a "Nicht Anfassen" on the wings too.
So the wings have two warning stencils.... Nicht Anfassen, and Nicht Schieben.

Nicht Schieben or Hier Nicht Schieben is for Don't push here, any moving tabs ailerons etc and Nicht Anfassen is Don't stand here. YOu probablh knew that already Max Good luck with the stencils!

[max_thehitman]

Thanks Mac1 for posting that image, your a good friend. I also have a similar image taken from Me-262 books and from
internet websites...
http://www.stormbirds.com/warbirds/markings_stenciling.htm
http://www.stormbirds.com/warbirds/markings_standard.htm
http://www.stormbirds.com/warbirds/markings_finish.htm

Although the aircraft I will be adding these new stencils into is an extremelly rare machine.
It is the Horten Ho-229 (in the IL-2-1946 game it´s the "Go-229" ).

Only one finished protype ever flew (with jets) (the V-2) and even though there exists a few photographs of it, none are
close up photos to see the details of the stencils and markings. I have about 7 books about it and none show close
up photographs of the markings, except for photos of the cockpit instruments.
... http://www.indianamilitary.org/FreemanAAF/Aircraft%20-%20German/FE%200490-HO229V3/0490.htm#
One thing we do know is the color it might have been painted in.
There are 3 color types usually used for painting prototype Luftwaffe aircraft... RLM 02 Grau
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=36165
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34159
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=24226

The second prototype machine (the V-3) which was never fully completed or flown was found by American soldiers in 1945 and
it was not even painted yet. Later when it was shipped over to the USA for tests, it was painted by someone who had no
knowledge of actual Luftwaffe colors or even their markings. So that airplane is a total fictional paint-job.
It is the airplane that is currently undergoing restoration at the Smithsonian museum in the USA...
http://blog.nasm.si.edu/?s=horten

At the moment I am doing a 2048x2048 template and some skins for this rare airplane, and I am trying my best to add the
needed Luftwaffe stencils and markings as it might have looked like, if it this aircraft was actually finished and flown.
I have also painted this aircraft in the past for skins in 1024x1024 size. They are available at Mission4Today webste.

They are ALL totally "fictional" skins, but by following the Luftwaffe orders and directives on how to paint such markings on
aircraft, a person can try to paint this thing as close to a real machine as possible, if this thing ever happened in real life.
It is up to each person to decide and judge what is correct or wrong, because it is a "fictional" paint-job, but at least
we can try to make it as real as possible.
With the new 2048 size HD-skins, a player can read all or most of the stencils and markings on the airplane skins, as before
in the other 1024 skins this was not possible.

Thank you everyone for your most valuable help and assistance. You are great friends. Together we can all help each
other making this airplane skin become as real as possible, so you can also enjoy it in your flight adventures.

[RedSpade]

Thanks Max, I thoroughly enjoyed this thread about two of my favorite planes.  You know I have been to the Stormbirds web sight a dozen times or more and never dug down deep inside it.  My loss. 

[max_thehitman]

Thanks RedSpade, here are some screenshots for you of what is happening right now with that new template.
I would say it is about 75% done. It is a completely new template and more detailed according to the original
aircraft plans.
The earlier templates for the IL-2 skins (including the Void skin) the airplane is cool looking, but there
are many things wrong with the lines and overall details.

On my template it still needs the rivets to be painted for the underside and then an overall tweaking
of the lines to be better blended into the skin paint. After that will come some more effects painting for a
slightly used version with chipped and scratched paint.
I hope to finish this one up in about 3 days.
 So far 14 days have passed and I have never spent so much time on an airplane skin and so many hours painting
everything according to original airplane blueprints. I really like this flying wing, so its a labour of love for me.

These screenshots are not the best, due to my crappy old computer, but you will see many nice details when you
fly it in your computers.

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[Ghost129er]

Not bad bro!, I really think its good of you to add such detail to these aircrafts! I'd love to do that, but dont know how to do much texturing like smoke effects, exhausts, etc. Back to the topic, maybe you could use the high resolution true colour package and then make the text even more better! With cooler effects!

Just an idea from my side, think about it if you have time

Ghost

[Ass Eagle]

That is 2048px.

Nice work Max.