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Sleepingdragon

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Douglass C-54; USAF badly needs an AI.
« on: September 24, 2012, 09:19:14 PM »

   With the expansion of the USAF into the 50s, and it's total reliance on only the C-47 in IL2, this is a suggestion for an AI C-54, possibly a frankenplane; this is a heavily used AC beginning in 42 and going into the 70s.


This one is making a low pass over Chinese laborers circa 1944.


This one is currently on the airshow circuit in the US, in the markings of those used in the Berlin airlift in 48. The 54 was the primary air-lifter during that epic defiance, and were shot at by AA, harrased by Soviet fighters (props and jets), and several were lost in bad weather beign limited to the designated corridor, unable to avoid the weather at times. 


Another view of this AC. They were heavily used in Korea as well, basically taking over most of the airlift from C-47, assisted by smaller numbers of C-119s. The opening scene of "The Hunters" has one delivering Robert Mitchum to his squadron in Korea.


This is a common scene from the Berlin Airlift in 48. I was wanting to make a small scenario with alternate history involving F-80s/84s, F-51s, Spit mkIVs etc escorting the transports into Berlin, often having to fight their way in.


Hungry Berliners probably never thought they would be cheering American and British transports keeping them alive. Some real drama, as well as some great scenes and object use possibilities.


A very nice model in 48 period markings.






I would suggest somethign like this as a default skin, postwar markings. The history of this machine was vast, in many colors.







The Navy used them also, into the 70s. The aircraft could also be used to pass for the nearly identical C-118s (DC-6s) that they used into the 80s in the reserves.


The 54 entered service in 1942, and became more common as the war progressed.
A good subject for WW2 scenarios, some neat skins.


And if one wants to make this a flyable plane (which would be really cool  :P ) I have found quite a few cockpit shots; I found several color one of the one on the airshow circuit.



Of course, the most famous (or infamous) use of a C-54 was as the "Polk County Pot Plane", which as featured in an incredibly cheap movie in 1977. The plane landed in an incredibly small patch of woods that had been cleared by a bulldozer, loaded with weed. Yes they got nabbed by the local cops. In 77, somebody bought the plane, restored it, and extended the runway. Some yokels made a "movie" about it.
    If we ever did get a player flown version with a more accurate FM, it would be a great misn.

The plane only appears at first; the shot with the car in front of it was done with a telephoto lens. I just had to put this as another reason to have this amazing plane.




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Re: Douglass C-54; USAF badly needs an AI.
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2012, 09:26:17 PM »

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General characteristics
 Crew: 4
 Capacity: Up to 86 passengers
 Length: 93 ft 10 in (28.6 m)
 Wingspan: 117 ft 6 in (35.8 m)
 Height: 27 ft 6 in (8.38 m)
 Wing area: 1,460ft² (135.6 m²)
 Empty weight: 43,300 lb (19,640 kg)
 Loaded weight: 63,500 lb (28,800 kg)
 Max. takeoff weight: 73,000 lb (33,100 kg)
 Powerplant: 4 × Pratt & Whitney R-2000 radial engine, 1,450 hp (1,081 kW) each
 
Performance
 Maximum speed: 280 mph (450 km/h)
 Cruise speed: 227 mph (365 km/h)
 Range: 4,250 mi (6,839 km)
 Service ceiling: 22,300 ft (6,800 m)
 Wing loading: 43.5 lb/ft² (212.4 kg/m²)
 Power/mass: 10.9 lb/hp (6.6 kg/kW)





 
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Re: Douglass C-54; USAF badly needs an AI.
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2012, 10:18:32 PM »

 8) Oh cool. I take that as an approval.  :-\  Thanx.

  Photos are plentiful on the net, in every use. Including as the DC-6. Korea scenarios really need this plane, bad, as do any US involved cmpn well into the 50s.  I just need a nice AI version for my post war projects, but a more accurate flyable one would have pretty high performance for a plane that size.
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Re: Douglass C-54; USAF badly needs an AI.
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2012, 04:02:44 AM »

This is my favourite 4-engine prop plane ever...

Do you have a large HD version of these drawings?  THAT is what modellers need :)


May be ...

https://www.mediafire.com/?jvh64npd6awlb0d
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Re: Douglass C-54; USAF badly needs an AI.
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2012, 06:18:22 PM »

There are still alot more C-54's left than you think. The only problem is there under the Florida Everglades... (i've found 5 myself :D)
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Re: Douglass C-54; USAF badly needs an AI.
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2012, 07:02:59 PM »

Just started working on a map of Germany covering the three corriders for the Berlin Airlift.

I have a lot of ecellent help from Klaus 109 in order to put this map together reasonably quickly.

Putting in rivers now and making a good base map.

Check out this thread you'll see the ed map. and a link to the Berlin Airlift Operations.

https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/topic,27821.0.html

Cheers Kirby
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Re: Douglass C-54; USAF badly needs an AI.
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2012, 11:36:52 PM »

 ???    Wow and OMG and holy capoola....that's a big project. The Berlin 48 job is the one that interests me the most, as I'm (still) working on my Pacific 48 East/West alternate history fight over Kyushu as part of a bigger battle over the Kuriles. Having to make a few mods to make it work right in 4.11 AI and trying to rig it for at least one mod. I won't say how many yrs I've been on this.

Please remember not to go too ape on equiping the airfields. Leave us a little room to work in the FMB. Am really anticipating your efforts on this and will try to keep up wiht it.  :-*
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Re: Douglass C-54; USAF badly needs an AI.
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2012, 11:49:10 PM »

Oh yeah, if you want to see some of them in action today, watch "Ice Pilots" on the weather channel (US). It's on some other places to, but I'm not sure where. They have at least 2 of them that they use to carry cargo, and have some pretty wild adventures in Northern Canada. They are incredibly rugged and reliable birds.

One episode had them re-enacting the damn buster raid, even using a scale cylinder bomb, the pilot scored a direct hit on the cement block damn they made as a target. Amazign flying on that show.
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Re: Douglass C-54; USAF badly needs an AI.
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2012, 10:54:38 AM »

 ??? HOLY CRAP !!! I knew the C-54 was a great machine, but had no Idea it could do this. I guess an AI job could have the FM of the B-25. Sheeesh. Check out the two engine out pass. This thing would be a nice flyable one actually.
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Re: Douglass C-54; USAF badly needs an AI.
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2012, 02:18:49 PM »

Roger that one. It appears that this S.A. pilot must do this as a regular airshow performance. And what freaked me the most was (drumroll) that he restarted both the right engines simultaneously. I never saw that before, but I've never seen a 4 engine recip do a pass on 2 engines either. Man I'd love to be there with my old Pentax.

I wonder if those were SAAF colors. All I know is that we sure could use a replacement for the C-47 in post war scenarios, and it performs like a Mosquito (sort of). On "Ice Pilots", they had a recent episode of one with the fire bomber tank re-enacting the damn busters raid, dropping a cylinder bomb and hitting a cement block damn. The Buffalo sr. pilot at the time was hossing it around pretty good.
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Re: Douglass C-54; USAF badly needs an AI.
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2012, 09:09:41 AM »

Those nose dives near the ground and steep bankings are a bit too much for my nerves :(  can't avoid remebering the B52 crash video.

Ditto.  IMO, that guy is slightly nuts.
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